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Dean Roddey wrote: even more ardent support, because they have an 'us against the world' thing going on
That's pretty much my point - the question was, who has the most ridiculous fan boys.
They're being ridiculous if a language is brand new and still unproven. If a language's been around for 50 years...its defenders at least have a leg to stand on.
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Sorry to post here, but I kept getting an error when posting a Question...
I need a tool that can examine a Visual Studio project, and then spit out metadata - things like:
- version of MS Build
- Target .NET version
- list of packages/dependencies/etc.
I can build this, but if something already exists that would be preferable.
Ideally it can scan projects in an Organization's Azure DevOps repositories to build up a report.
I have a client with literally 100s (perhaps 1000s) of such projects, and they need to catalog what tools/components/libraries/etc. they are using. Primarily so they can track EOL (end of life) and be less reactive to upgrades and such.
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Andreas Mertens wrote: Looking for a tool...
One lives a few doors down from my house.
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If I thought that would help...
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Oh, I'm sorry! I didn't read your entire post. I didn't know you were looking for THAT kind of tool!
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After chuckling at Dave's answer and also thinking 'I see a lot of tools' when I read your question, I did think there used to be something around - I'm still looking for it though
I do see things like Project Class (Microsoft.Build.Evaluation) | Microsoft Docs but not the cohesive example I thought was out there (could have been ages ago)
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I was not aware that class even existed - thanks for pointing it out. I need to explore that namespace a bit more too...
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If you write it yourself, you're going to have to deal with several variations of the Visual Studio project, even if you limit yourself to recent versions of Visual Studio.
There's the "traditional" project format:
<Project ToolsVersion="15.0" DefaultTargets="Build" xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/developer/msbuild/2003"> For that, the NuGet package references can either be stored in a packages.config file, or as <PackageReference> elements in the project file.
They'll also be listed as <Reference> elements within the project file. And you'll have a reference for the complete dependency tree of NuGet packages which the referenced packages depend on.
Then there's the "SDK-style" project:
<Project Sdk="Microsoft.NET.Sdk"> That should always have NuGet package references stored in the project file. It will only have references for the packages which the project directly depends on; any dependencies of those packages will not be listed.
And if they created any .NET Core RC1 projects with VS2015, you may also have to deal with xproj + project.json projects, which don't use XML at all.
project.json and csproj comparison - .NET Core CLI | Microsoft Docs[^]
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Exactly. If everything was built using (pretty much) the same tools, then great, otherwise...there's always going to be some hole and the assessment is always going to remain incomplete. What impact that has on the answer it'll find for you depends on the question being asked.
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If you smoke pot you get high.
If you read books you become educated.
But if you do both do you become highly educated?
When you talk, you are only repeating what you already know.
But if you listen, you may learn something new.
--Dalai Lama
JaxCoder.com
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Give me some hours, I will test it 
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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Some hours?
When you talk, you are only repeating what you already know.
But if you listen, you may learn something new.
--Dalai Lama
JaxCoder.com
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Only if your name is Bill Clinton.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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He doesn't count, didn't inhale... 
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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He didn't read, either. 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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 He liked his cigars though.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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You become the owner of Tesla and get a lot of money for your wild ideas
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Or you sell Apple products to unsuspecting consumers?
When you talk, you are only repeating what you already know.
But if you listen, you may learn something new.
--Dalai Lama
JaxCoder.com
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: You become the owner of Tesla and get a lot of money for your wild ideas
I think its the other way around.
I'm retired. There's a nap for that...
- Harvey
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No - but man can you lose some hours if the book is good.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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Tell me about it, been working on Hawaii by Mitchner for 2 days now...excellent book!
When you talk, you are only repeating what you already know.
But if you listen, you may learn something new.
--Dalai Lama
JaxCoder.com
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I wouldn't assert you become "highly educated", but it sure describes how some pot-heads think of themselves.
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I like games like GTA: San Andreas and Yakuza 6 and Red Dead Redemption 1 because they incorporate some RPG elements into what amounts to a button-mashing action game. I enjoy the combination. The Dynasty Warriors franchise had some bright moments too.
My question is basically this: Do any of you know of any games like this for the PS4 that are any good
And, if you've played the Yakuza franchise, is it worth it to get Yakuza-0 or perhaps some of the games prior to 6? I enjoyed Yakuza 6 but it's a short game, ignoring the cutscenes. I bought it then proceeded to beat it several times in a row, so it has good replay value but I'm bored of it already.
Real programmers use butterflies
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I don't have a PS4, but one series I've loved since the beginning (PS2/PSP) is Monster Hunter. The current release, Monster Hunter World, is beautiful, has some rpg elements, 14 different weapon types with respective styles, and shines when you play with others (online co-op.) It's available on current gen systems and PC. You can pretty much play the entire game solo if you choose, but imo it's a far better experience with companions.
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