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Kent Sharkey wrote: Maybe also that NSA fix, but I doubt it.
Doubt no more. CVE-2020-0601 doesn't affect 7 or 2008 R2. Besides, a fix for that wouldn't be in a servicing stack update.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: It's main content is probably the already-infamous nag screen.
You're thinking of KB4493132, which I've banned from my WSUS server. Haven't seen a single nag screen on any of my Win7 or 2008 R2 VMs.
Microsoft does document these things. Back when everyone was complaining about the never-ending stream of Win10 nag screens on Win7, I also had those blocked and never saw a single instance.
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How dare you ruin a perfectly good snark with something like facts!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Sorry. One of my habits. 
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Maybe they wish to brick your Win7 to force you to move on...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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I'll be running a machine with multiple VMs so I want cores to spare.
8 cores is more than enough. 4 is about minimum.
I'll need the various VM bells and whistles like HyperV support and VTx whatever of course.
I don't really game per se, though for this kind of money I wouldn't mind being able to game with the machine if i wanted to. i play the fallout franchise at least.
I'm considering either an i7-9700(k?) or an i9-9900 or whatever. I think the i9 will come down this year and be in budget. *knock on wood*
anyone use either of these CPUs heavily and can tell me, particularly when using VMs if they're happy with it, or if they would have gone better in retrospect?
Or any alternatives to suggest? (I strongly prefer Intel to AMD cpus)
I'm curious mostly, leaning toward the i9 for future proofing, assuming it's not still bleeding edge by the time i buy and i can afford it.
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How many simultaneous VMs will you be running, and what OS will be in them?
Since I run Linux as my host, I can dedicate most of the system resources to the VMs (when they're running)
You need a cpu that will support at least 64gb of ram, and I would recommend no fewer than six cores. My personal pref for cpu's is AMD.
For gaming, it's more about the video card than the rest of the box, and I'm assuming you won't be running any VMs while you're running the game. For the video card, no less than 4gb of DDR5 RAM, and 6-8 gb would give you the best experience. I personally prefer nVidia video cards.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I think i'll be okay with 32GB as right now I'm running one VM with VS and win installed on an 8GB machine  .
my OS setup is similar to yours - linux hosts win VMs.
But I won't need more than say, three. and none will be doing constant work except the one i'm working in. What i mean is i'm not running databases or webservers or anything in them, or at least not ones where perf matters.
I'll definitely be looking for a board that can support more than 32GB though.
And if i did game with it, i wouldn't mind dual booting for that, though i doubt i will game with it. I have a console for fallout
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modified 16-Jan-20 11:55am.
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Actually, I said a machine *capable* of being upgraded to 64gb...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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#realJSOP wrote: My personal pref for cpu's is AMD.
#realJSOP wrote: I personally prefer nVidia video cards.
I agree 100%.
Also, I recently did a build that included AMD AMD RYZEN 5 2600X (12Core) and an NVidia card and 16GB ram, with Gigabyte M/B for about $500 and I'm running Ubuntu (dual boot with Windows, but never boot windows really) and the machine is blazing fast even doing Android dev with emulators running and Android Studio etc.
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I think my main reason for the Intel preference comes from the bad old days of AMD being behind in lithographic tech, and their chips running hotter and sucking more juice as a result. Or before that when their FP processing sucked.
Of course, that's all in the past (I think?)
But I've followed Intel CPUs over AMD because of it, and I just have a good feel for what a good Intel is vs a bad one, and I don't have the same feel for AMD - at least not yet. So I don't really know what I'm buying. How much cache is enough for an AMD 12core? for example. I can figure out baselines for intel's chips based on past experience and review knowledge i've accrued at say overclock.net. I haven't done that same legwork on AMD over the years so their lineup is largely opaque to me.
And maybe it's time i changed that. I'll give the ryzens a look.
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I've been using AMD CPUs since forever.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Which motherboard do you use?
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it doesn't matter.
i'm not putting the CPU in an existing system. I'm building a new one.
The motherboard is whatever motherboard will work with it.
Whoops, i thought you were replying to me. I thought the question was weird,
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I'm with JSOP on the AMD, been running them for years.
I would say build your own machine and you can get exactly what you want at a cheaper price.
It's been 6 months since I joined the gym and there's been no progress. I'm going there tomorrow in person to find out what's really going on!
JaxCoder.com
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Mike Hankey wrote: I would say build your own machine
This then excludes a laptop, doesn't it ?
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Depends on how big your lap is?
It's been 6 months since I joined the gym and there's been no progress. I'm going there tomorrow in person to find out what's really going on!
JaxCoder.com
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I don't like investing big money in laptops. I've had too many stolen, dropped or otherwise just broken down from wear and general use (usually a screen hinge and the display goes with it, or the power cable connecter inside the machine dies)
It's much easier to repair and upgrade a desktop.
I usually try to limit laptop purchases to $800 tops.
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You can get an extended warranty and get even replacements in case of accident at not much money...
I buy a new laptop each 4 years +/-.
Usually Lenovo T series Signature edition... Currently I have a T460s. They have all the usual ports at real size (important when you must interface robots/plc...), are slim and powerful. and of course with all the bells and whistles in the warranty... 5 years extended warranty with one guy at your door in 24 hours if you call them in any country.
Of course all with a dock station for programming at the office.
I guess my next one will be T500s or TWhateverTheyNameItNexts 
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Yeah but it's still a pain setting up a new machine when that happens. Especially after a year or two of getting it how i like
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They come and repair it for you at your home/office/where you are. Replacing even cracked screens.
I don't know if they replace the whole computer... and how you cope with that... Never needed it.
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This is true, but with the performance available today, I'd take a hard look at just running inside a VM (unless you are gaming). For development, you just can't tell the difference. When you replace the base hardware, you copy the VM(s) and boom, back in business.
Just a thought.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I'm already doing that for the most part. My host OS just pretty much has a web browser and video player
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it depends. I've found i can get the best deal by finding the right barebones stuff and then adding to it - at least sometimes.
in the end, i shop around, and i usually end up at least augmenting anything i buy.
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