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To say nothing of "I Need You", "I'm So Tired", and "Los Paranoias" (when they tried to quit). 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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We're in the process of moving everything over to the cloud.
In order to get to visual studio to do dev work, we have to VPN into the network, RDP to a "jump box", and then RDP from there into our dev environment.
While we're VPN'd into the remote network, we can't access email or a web browser on our local machine. This means we're completely cut off from communications on our own local network.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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That sounds exactly like what we're discussing here for even local work, I'm glad to hear it works so well and I've been wrong this entire time!
When I mentioned in meetings that the concept sounds really complicated, will be a drain on productivity due to having to log in/out of the VPN to look up references, and frustrate the developers to the point of hurting morale all I get is blank stares. It must take a government mindset to come up with solutions using such out of the box, counter-intuitive thinking.
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We don't have access to it yet, so we don't really know if it will work, or how well. If history is any indicator, it's gonna be dog-ass slow if we can even maintain something resembling reliable connectivity.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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That's what I'm predicting will happen here if/when we ever implement the same sort of policy. Someone who doesn't have to use it will force it into place, employees will use it and complain about how bad it is with a laundry list of reasons, and finally employees will be ignored and told that is the only
option available.
The other amusing piece being discussed here is that security wants to prohibit VPNing from non-managed (i.e. personal) devices. Problem is we won't purchase laptops for everyone and we're still expected to somehow provide service any time it is needed including after hours and weekends.
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Don't forget the part where all the good employees ragequit for saner employers within 6 months to a year, leaving the office full of Wally's and other useless sorts. 
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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I don't know if that specific construct will work, but I was working 3 years in something similar going to and back from India to work in a computer here and test with a device downstairs
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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#realJSOP wrote: While we're VPN'd into the remote network, we can't access email or a web browser on our local machine. This means we're completely cut off from communications on our own local network.
VM.
That is on your desktop run a VM to VPN to the network to the RDP...
want to check email locally: minimise / window size the VM.
not saying this to buck the system, but sometimes you want to read your email, for instance refer a list of to-do's / bugs someone sent...
Edit: question - if the cloud is everywhere you will be working at home then? No need to wear pants!
after many otherwise intelligent sounding suggestions that achieved nothing the nice folks at Technet said the only solution was to low level format my hard disk then reinstall my signature. Sadly, this still didn't fix the issue!
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Not permitted to run a VM on local machines.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Jeeze. Have they got any vacancies there? It sounds like the ideal place to work.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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JSOP seems to have a knack for finding these places. 
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Well, DoD dev work has always been a pain in the ass, and especially so when you dev for the USAF. The cloud crap is simply shoveling more crap in the hole.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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So putting all data on the cloud is OK, but running a VM is not ? I think someone needs a cybersecurity training.
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Maybe moving your computer that connects via VPN in to a VM will help you...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Here, the only thing the genius' have moved to the cloud is our email.
You'd think that would be good (our regular system is not publicly facing - you need a VPN account to your VM and then I, too, RDT to my Xeon). Anyway, as I was saying, wouldn't that be good so I can access my mail from anywhere?
Well - I did use " genius' " in a cynical context. Within a week of the email-to-cloud move they blocked access except from internal connections. That's how it's stayed.
World Wide Access ! In internal mail server on our network would be faster and cheaper.
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On plus side, you will never notice them pesky meeting invites.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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Interesting. Everything we have is on the cloud except for our laptops. I have Sql installed on my laptop and Visual Studio and I do all development on my machine until I need to publish it and then I publish to Azure.
It's weird they won't let you have a local dev box.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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It's a DoD operation. "Weird" is too tame a word...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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#realJSOP wrote: It's a DoD operation
Well, I appreciate my safety and I know there are a lot of people out there that hate America so please do a good job. 
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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ZurdoDev wrote: there are a lot of people out there that hate America
I'll bet a lot of them have reached that point because of stupid work-related policies imposed by their employers...
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Yep, we have to do that too. We used to be able to hit our Github Enterprise repositories inside the environment and use personal wiki pages to get information in and out of the system but they have since cut that off.
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Can you VPN from inside a VM instead? 
Real programmers use butterflies
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No, because we can't run VMs.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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