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musefan wrote: otherwise I expect we would have seen those forums reappear already.
May be or it may be from core value of not having any useless forum irrespective of loss in revenue.
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Yeah of course. I would like to think I would do the same too. But only so much loss you can afford to swallow.
However, if Soapbox had even been anywhere close to a significant contribution of traffic I feel this site would have died long ago. One hopes the other areas of the site are what people are here for.
My point was just meant to be: If it was a notable drop, something would have been done to correct it.
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I agree, My only curiosity was if there a possibility that Google search shows Soapbox and Indian forum post for the useless stuff and after visiting it, people start browsing the other section and become regular.
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Yep, it would be interesting to see some numbers.
I don't think we will get them though, which is why I thought I would just start making guesses... something to talk about so your post doesn't go ignored 
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Sometimes ignored post gives you assurance that online world and my Home world is mirroring each other 
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I suspect it's less about revenue (important though that is) and more about not having a site hosting racist / sexist / other offensive material at all. Reddit this isn't! 
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Good point. I knew the place was toxic but I am not familiar with how far people go. If lines are crossed then the reputation of the site does become an important factor.
Still though, there are alternatives to moderating a forum if it was a big enough drop in traffic/revenue.
Anyway, I am just speculating. I obviously have none of the stats to do anything more than that.
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Moderating's a pain - we have automatic moderation here which picks up on spam and some forms of abuse, but it needs human backup for verification, and that's a lot of work. When you think how many messages flow through the site on a daily basis, to moderate fully you'd need a truckload of moderators to review each and every message - and they'd have to be on top of the kind of abuse being served up in GIT, which I for one am not as it's a cultural thing than needs cultural knowledge I just don't have. And those moderators are all volunteers with "real jobs" to do at the same time.
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Of course, but I meant if the loss is big enough to justify it.
Stupid numbers now, but if the site was losing £1m per year from closing soapbox, it might be worth hiring a mod team for £500k per year to keep it functioning. For example.
If the site is losing 50p a year... sod 'em. Just one less Freddo in the staff tuck shop 
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Or just open CodeSoapbox.com and let 'em vent! 
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Hmmm... I know you are joking but it would be an interesting experiment. See just how much people like to argue.
Though I think I would call it: Fight Project - For those who fight
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The first rule of FightProject is we don't talk about FightProject.
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musefan wrote: Of course, but I meant if the loss is big enough to justify it.
Stupid numbers now, but if the site was losing £1m per year from closing soapbox, it might be worth hiring a mod team for £500k per year to keep it functioning. For example.
If the site is losing 50p a year... sod 'em. Just one less Freddo in the staff tuck shop
Using that logic why don't we start showing porn videos? It's got nothing to do with the aim of the site, but it'll bring in money....
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Fine by me. Might as well use the internet the way god intended it to be used.
But on a serious note: finding new ways to increase revenue isn't the same as finding ways to mitigate loss of it.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: It's got nothing to do with the aim of the site, but it'll bring in money....
Are you sure? Many are shutting shops 
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OriginalGriff wrote: and they'd have to be on top of the kind of abuse being served up in GIT, which I for one am not as it's a cultural thing than needs cultural knowledge I just don't have
IMHO, this section was never monitored. It was Full blown Slugfest in there and few members knew when it was crossing line and tried to bring some sense but 
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The spam / abuse autodetector worked on it, but the subjects were so alien to westerners (and in the case of the Cricket Wars all sentient lifeforms) that most of the abuse was impossible to detect except to other Indians. And they mostly just got rude in return. 
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OriginalGriff wrote: The spam / abuse autodetector worked on it, but the subjects were so alien to westerners (and in the case of the Cricket Wars all sentient lifeforms) that most of the abuse was impossible to detect except to other Indians. And
Any topic which are only guys responding for more than 3 post is flamewar 
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musefan wrote: After all, traffic = revenue.
Sort of. A lot of people here block ads. Therefore, traffic = more cost, not more revenue.
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Yeah I guess they do. I only recently added this site to be allowed to show ads after Griff mentioned it the other week. Before that I hadn't even thought about it as my ad blocker blocks everything as default.
Maybe CP should implement a "please don't block us" feature. It could even be unobtrusive and simply be a message that shows in the same space (and dimensions) that the adverts currently show.
Personally I have always though that the advert industry is one of the biggest cons in the world. Problem is, if we all admitted it then it would probably crash our economies.
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musefan wrote: is one of the biggest cons in the world.
True, but that's how we get free tv, free radio, free internet, etc.
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ZurdoDev wrote: that's how we get free tv, free radio, free internet, etc.
Nothing's free.
Ultimately the cost of advertising is rolled into the cost of the items.
Furthermore, take for example "drug" advertisements. They've caused problem with patients basically demanding the newest (and often deadliest and amazingly expensive) drug for their real or perceived condition. I take one drug that, expensive as it was, my prescription plan didn't blink at the cost. Originally. Then the advert's started and now I need annual ore-authorization for it.*
One can go on and on with similar examples. It's really a matter of paying up front or paying indirectly.
* it really is the advert's fault. At the time I started this medication, one that was 20x cheaper did require per-authorization for more than the initial prescription (long-term use). It was heavily touted on TV.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Nothing's free.
Yes, thank you. 
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musefan wrote: Having said that, reducing the volume of nonsense posted in Soapbox has probably saved a few quid in itself
Exactly. I can only speak about the soapbox, but even if it had gone down, would anyone really miss that traffic...?
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My traffic has gone way down, but I'm sure no one misses it. 
The Lounge is usually very boring especially since it has become Codewitches facebook feed (no offense to honey). The few times someone does try to have a serious and good discussion in the forum there are more nonsense replies than good ones.
There isn't much value to CP. Even the people asking questions are lousy at asking questions but that's about the most I do here anymore (trying to answer questions.)
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