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Marc Clifton wrote: So what's you're take? Why would you use one vs. the other for back-end development?
If all you have is a hammer, then even screws look like nails.
What languages and technologies do the future developers you're going to want to pass the maintenance off to know? Use that (even if you consider it to be the wrong tool for the job).
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If I were to create a small webapp without the need for significant security, I would consider using node all the way. It is after all very convenient to only have one language to work with in an app, also I do love typescript. Yet, as mentioned, if we are talking about a larger app and need for some real security, .net core is the only way to go for me. Mostly because I know it well and also because I know how to secure my apps using .net core. With node on the server, while it may be possible to write secure code with node on the server, I would have to learn that all over again and given I own my own iis server that would not be something I would even consider at this point. Also, there is Blazor for .net for writing wasm web apps, that I consider using in the frontend instead of Typescript and Angular, because it is convenient to only have one language to work with in a project. My current app, while Blazor was out as a demo when I started, has an Angular frontend and a .net core 3.0 ef core 3.0 backend.
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What is all this nonsense about Node and C#? You mean to tell me you did not write your back-end in the one true language of LISP? Hark, thy hast done wrong! Repent, my child! Seek thee of that which hast the ever loving and gentle embrace! ![Java | [Coffee]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/coffee.gif) Ah, that is better. Well, gentlemen, ladies, now that I have been refreshed, let us have a civilized and quaint discussion. I expect you all here at 4 sharp for tea.
In all seriousness, I have heard that .NET Core is superior to Node as of now. Though, I have nothing to back that up with. Personally, I would stick with something that I was familiar with and not do a rewrite into different languages. But, I would also listen to what they say, if they can make a good case for the switch, and provide ample amount of data to back them up, then perhaps it could be an option to consider. Might want to prepare a defensive case for your side of things on that path.
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Too much time on their hands (the "rewrite" camp).
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Why would you use one vs. the other for back-end development?
Two Answers...
MOST PEOPLE
... Choose what they know best as the language solution. I could bet money that if you did a poll asking both:
1) Which language do you know best? ... and ...
2) Which language would you choose?
... that there would be a 95% correlation between the 2 answers.
THINGS WE SHOULD BE ASKING:
1) Is the expected lifespan of the desired language good? (If you have to have to rebuild in 7 years, then either your language, or more likely your application architecture (or Software Architect) is broken.
2) Is the language supported by a good library base (connectors to different databases, etc).
3) Does the language or its libraries have significant characteristics important to your application which are not available in other languages (i.e. set based processing of SQL for reporting productivity)
4) Does the language support the desired environment characteristics. (RAM usage, response times, CPU requirements, scaling, ...)
5) Is the language supported by a good experience pool? (i.e. can I easily hire new people to support it, and the associated things it may also require, like IIS or Apache)
6) Is the language going to unnecessarily increase the required breadth of skills for my organization? (more important for smaller organizations)
7) Cost of ownership - Includes things like: cost of rebuild? Do I have to maintain an additional developer skillset? Do I have to maintain additional hardware/OS/Web stack? Do I have to maintain an additional hardware/OS/Web skillset? (the actual build and new hardware costs are often less significant than ongoing maintenance of the required people resources)
8) ... yes, I'm sure there are other items I missed ...
SUMMARY:
Often, (and likely in this case) looking at these larger picture items, the answer is "It doesn't matter", assuming the languages being compared are mature, robust, and purvasive, which they are in this case.
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Although I've a better system, as well, my primary work PC is a refurbished Dell Optiplex of some sort which came with a video card for direct HDMI. I did upgrade it from 4GB to 8GB (DDR2 !) which did make a difference but I wonder if there's any reason to upgrade.
Why? It's main use is to connect to a VM "at work" and from there, another hop to my desktop. So I sit back in a recliner with a 49" monitor I can almost touch with my toes and tap away on my (non-gamer) wireless keyboard/mouse (recently upgraded to Logitech MK710).
Considering the path between me and my work-box (Xeon 32GB and something like 8 3.5GHz cores) - and that it does all the real work (and reaches out even more hops to the server farm, as needed) is there any sensible reason to upgrade anything, except, perhaps, a more comfortable recliner?
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No amount of hardware (at either end) will overcome/improve your internet bandwidth. Leave your hardware alone. It actually comes down to how much you want to pay for your internet connection.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Basically fits with my minimalist philosophy (I'm a card-carrying minimalist).
I was just curious if anyone else could see what I couldn't.
As for internet bandwidth - the hype of the millennium (for now). My provider keeps incrementing mine up (and of course, encourages me to upgrade). 15->25->100->200 Mbs. I allow this because my cost has actually gone down.
But when I streamed at 15Mbs all was OK - didn't improve at 25Mbs, or 100 or 200. I try to explain to people that (unless they're sharing with an entire fraternity or something) they've no use for that speed because internet traffic and data rates from most sources won't be supplying data at that rate as they've lots of other users to service.
Some are touting their 1GB/s options - my entire company connects two offices (about 450 users) with a 1GB line. To what use can a family of 2-6 have for it, except to say their bandwidth is bigger than than neighbors?
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It's much easier to enjoy the favor of both friend and foe, and not give a damn who's who. -- Lon Milo DuQuette
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/ravi
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W∴ Balboos wrote: is there any sensible reason to upgrade anything
do you have to get up to make tea/coffee?
if so there's something to upgrade... your wife buy a robot (or two, one for you, one for the wife).
this internet has become nothing but fake news.
... time to fix it, time to get back to the fax!
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Well - I actually do get up for some of that stuff - keeps my legs from getting cramped or going into full atrophy.
On the other hand, I have a (rolling) coffee table next to me in easy reach whereon I keep my coffee and, if early enough, some Trader Joe's Dunkers (plain back). Occasionally some spring rolls or a knish.
Still, there's always room for improvement.
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“You idiot” I shouted through gritted teeth
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Did he just plough you over? It snow joke if so!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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Although it's never happened to me before, I do fear this scenario happening. So much in fact that I always dress up as a bag of chips when I go out in public. That way, when it finally happens, I don't have to worry about looking silly in front of people.
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You will unless it's a vinegar van that runs you over.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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rather than look silly in front of people make them your friends:
-> dress as tequila and bring lemons
this internet has become nothing but fake news.
... time to fix it, time to get back to the fax!
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And there's anther brine mess you've gotten yourself into!
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how to open message thanks
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Click on it!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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Instructions too complicated. Got head stuck in bin, cheers for that
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musefan wrote: Got head stuck in bin
here ya go then: Can Opener[^]
this internet has become nothing but fake news.
... time to fix it, time to get back to the fax!
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How's the wifi in there?
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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why do I feel the need to post a Message Open message...
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