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I have no proof, but den again, it's just a way of being cordial.
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The pun was okay. The responses have been downright grizzly!
I, for one, like Roman Numerals.
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Only when he can't hold his ursine.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Been a few years since dug into the details of putting together a new desktop rig, and thought to ask and share what some of the basic versions of components should be for 2019?
NVMe supported Motherboard
AMD Ryzon cpu over Intel something (price vs performance)
DDR4 - DDR5 is expected for 2020.
Graphics card still look to be easily swap-able regardless of motherboard
Any issues opting for a card with just HDMI ports?
Still drooling over 14TB hdd. But with NVMe as OS drive, any harm doing 2x HDD raid 1 (seperate dedicated nas for more long term storage, this just to boost internal storage with some level of backup. or is performance drain?
For use with gaming, light video editing, and software development.
Any other newish technologies in last 5 ish years, that should be looking out for?
USB-c ports - are these practical on a desktop?
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as long as you have an AMD's Threadripper 3970x, mounted on an ASUS ROG Zenith II Extreme board, with an NZXT Kraken X62 fluid cooler and Corsair Dominator Platinum RAM.
or better buzzwords you should be ok... 
I'd rather be phishing!
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maze3 wrote: Graphics card still look to be easily swap-able regardless of motherboard
"Looks", yes; my previous new PC did not have the correct slots nor the required power to utilize a modern graphics card. As a result, I now have a work-PC and a dedicated games-machine.
maze3 wrote: For use with gaming, light video editing, and software development.
Choose your video-card first, then find a PC that can handle that 
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If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Choose your video-card first, then find a PC that can handle that
That's pretty good advice. It's probably going to be the most expensive component and will largely dictate compatibility/choice of all other components.
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Built a new PC about 6 months ago. Total cost: ~£1200
Case £90.00 Cooler Master CM 590 III Case
PSU £120.00 Corsair 850 Watt RM850x Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
Motherboard £160.00 Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO LGA 1151 DDR4 ATX Motherboard
Processor £250.00 Intel Core i5 9600K 3.7 GHz Processor
Memory £90.00 HyperX Predator 16GB (2x8GB) 3200MHz DDR4 CL16 DIMM Memory Kit
Graphics £330.00 Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2060 WINDFORCE 6GB OC Graphics Card
Storage £110.00 Samsung 970 EVO Plus V-NAND M.2 500GB SSD
Network £20.00 TP-Link AC1300 Wireless Dual Band PCI Express Adapter
(Although I have added an extra 16 GB RAM since then)
Just in case it's any use for a starting point/idea of budget.
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musefan wrote: GeForce RTX
Lots of expensive silicon that's not being used.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Depends.... there's a lot of apps that aren't games but use your GPU extensively (World Creator, Gaea, game engines) and if you are into scripting/plugin development, you may want to test on the same machine.
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Built mine about 2 months ago -- parts from Micro Center
I highly recomend the AMD Chip. So amazing and price saving.
I run dual boot Win10/ Ubuntu but run Ubuntu 95% of the time. I do Android development and the Android emulator starts instantly and Android Studio builds are really fast.
MainBoard - GIGABYTE B450M DS3H AM4 1 42.99
CPU - Ryzen Chip (6core with threads x2 12 Cores) AMD RYZEN 5 2600X WRAITHS[^] 139.99
16GB RAM - 348201 IPSG 16GB 2X8GB DDR4 3200 KIT 1 77.99
Power supply - 976076 CORSAIR CXM 650W 80+B SM PSU 1 69.99 69.99
Basic Case - 719427 CORSAIR SPEC02 REDSHIFT ATX CASE 1 69.99 69.99
M2 drive - 748939 SAMSUNG E 500GB 970EVO NVME M.2 SSD 1 79.99
WiFi PCI card TPLINK AC1300 WRLS DB PCIE ADPTR 40.99
Subtotal » $521.93 (before tax)
bought GEForce GTX 1660 video card from a friend $175
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I find that machines with both SSD (or equivalent) and HDD still suffer a bit of lag (even booting windows it checks all the connected drives)
- also swapping, (run-time temp space etc) some programs look for drive withe the most space
consider SSD drive (512-1TB) as the second internal drive(s) - games, dev, vid edit etc will run better
... and move the large HDD(s) to NAS.
as to intel vs amd: - linux + amd + GPU still somewhat troublesome,
-> so if even small chance linux is on your horizon intel is definitely the better investment
yes intel pricier; performance 9th/10th gen intel easily fast enough - not an issue,
- yes amd is faster 'on paper' - not humanly possible to notice even on hardest core gaming
-- plus if you're on a gpu intel vs amd performance becomes all but moot even on paper.
on board (non gpu graphics) for mine intel has the edge (in case considering buy gpu later)
anyway just my observations/findings
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lopatir wrote: as to intel vs amd: - linux + amd + GPU still somewhat troublesome,
I have both intel boxes and amd boxes running linux, and with nvidia or intel GPUs, running proprietary gpu drivers. I have no issues at all.
AMD is a better-bang-for-buck cpu because it's just as fast as a comparable intel cpu, but is less expensive (and this has always been true).
The best possible advice when building a new box is to build it for what you're going to do with it. Essentially, a gaming rig will have a kick-ass video card along with 6 or more cores and a minimum of 32gb RAM. If it's just a dev box, you can back off the kick-assedness of the video card. If it's a web/email box, 4-core and 16gb is enough. Regardless of what you're doing with the box, a minimum of DDR ram is a must, and SSD's will always be faster than analog drives. IN fact, nVME PCIe drives are the fastest thing you can get.
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can't argue with that.
just from my readings sometimes the linux drivers for video cards on AMD come out a bit slower (but they do still get there)
- the peril of relying on freelances (I guess more are using intel)
AMD is certainly aggressively hitting up price-vs-performance (while intel struggles with it's smaller sized fabs) so highly likely at current price trends the linux development community (growing / updating) will see an increasing proportion of AMD users.
another plus point for AMD is [even though they still have to follow intel's new trends] they are less beholding to microsoft [trying to control cpu dev].
...don't give me that "microsoft loves linux" crap - ms only doing linux to stay relevant to those moving away
...if not to eventually try and control that too - 'control all' is one of their corporate objectives
the scorpion will always sting the frog
- but what story tellers don't add: if it's smart enough it'll be close enough to jump ashore [or buy another frog] as thus far ms has managed to do
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I suggest you change your gaming to Dungeon Crawl[^]. Stop investing in the effemera of the latest and greatest components.
Instead, improve your mind with strategy. Admittedly, it hasn't been updated since Oct 2019.
It's always there when you need it and learning to live with perma-death (pun intended) is a great way to develop more realistic strategies.
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I have also bought new rig recently.
For guys who play games advice from above is good "first choose graphic card, then everything else". But i don't play games too much, and old graphics card does everything i need (MSI GeForce GTX 660).
However, looking forward to MS Flight Sim 2020, and then i will buy new graphics card.
CPU - Intel Core i5 9600K
MB - Gigabyte Z390 M-CF
Storage - Samsung 860 EVO 500GB and Seagate SSHD 1TB
Ram - KINGSTON HyperX FURY RGB 32GB (16x2) 3200MHz
PSU - Seasonic GC-650 650W
Keep in mind one thing about NvMe - in most tests it is not too much different than good SSD (in gaming less than 5% frames improvement). Biggest impact is if you work with big files.
But, also important, it does get warm so you need heatsink. Otherwise, lifespan will be greatly reduced.
These reasons, and saving some money, i went with SSD instead.
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I'm putting one together now too. Couple of things I've noticed. Many mobos need a BIOS update to run latest cpus (like i5-9600). Make sure you can flash mobo without a cpu. Gigabyte calls it "Q-flash". Other mobo makers call it different things. If you want to use an external HDD to make offline copies of backups, USB 3.1 is the way to go.
I'm going with Samsung 970 evo m.2 using PCIe Gen 3.0 x4 for the os drive. Make sure both the mobo and ssd support m.2 using PCIe Gen 3.0 x4. Data drive will be sata SSD.
Don't forget lots of cooling. This stuff all runs pretty hot.
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Depending on your budget:
x570 Motherboard
ryzen 3900 or 3950 better than intel at same price
4th gen nvme 2TB
ddr4
any graphics card you want
internal hdds
if you go into raid 1 buy hdds for nas, but dont belive raid 1 is for safety, its just speed
and last but not least important a good PSU 850 or more
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if their drones can deliver up to 2.5kg/5lb,
surely they wouldn't need all of the motors to get back to base?
hmmm...
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Bear in mind they know who they delivered to ... and probably videoed the delivery just in case of debate.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Time to build my T-Rex 800 Interceptor with FPV and two automatic BB guns. 
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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OriginalGriff wrote: Bear in mind they know who they delivered to ... and probably videoed the delivery just in case of debate
hmmm, camera would come in handy too, - with GPS sensor: bonus!
(to be safe order on the neighbors account)
"alexa: search for net guns"
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Hmmm, call me sceptic, but Amazon does Robo-Drone deliveries adds, TV ads saying it's a great place to work(?) just before their profits are published and the winging about slavery conditions. They have effectively done a Big Box retailer to the high street, under cut and the die!
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I'm sure it would be a great place to work
- if you can demonstrate your running cost [vs performance] is lower than a robot's
equal opportunity is no longer only for humans
you you... machinist! 
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