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Mike Hankey wrote: My all time favorite group, been listening for 50 years.
30+ years for me.
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I've been a fan since 1984.
I was lucky enough to see them at the Silverdome in 1994, "the first show". After the original show sold out in minutes they added a 2nd show the day before the original first show. The one I was at was the first time they played The Dark Side of the Moon live, in its entirety, in 25 years. That was a treat.
Sadly, the acoustics in the dome left much to be desired. It also didn't help that I was in the upper bowl off the left end of the stage, about 50 feet in front of a massive speaker stack. My ears are still ringing to this day.
The FloydPodCast has a recording of that very show here[^]. Skip to 12:40 for the start of it.
modified 16-Oct-19 15:53pm.
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I had a chance to see them once but my ex kept me broke constantly so when it came time to buy tickets...we're broke! Bumb Ditch
Technician
1. A person that fixes stuff you can't.
2. One who does precision guesswork based on unreliable data provided by those of questionable knowledge.
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Apparently I'm in the minority, which kind of surprises me in this case.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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It's whiskey and bad cocaine...poison get you just the same...and if that don't kill you soon, the women will down at the Spanish Moon! I remember where I was when I heard Lowell George had died.
Then add Linda Ronstadt Linda Ronstadt- All That You Dream(Live)With Little Feat - YouTube[^]
Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon the requisite contempt
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Never heard of them, but apparently they've been around for a long time and have influenced lots of other bands.
Jimmy Page called them his favorite band in 1975.
Sounds good, but not my cup of tea.
I have a friend who'd love this though.
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Saw them in concert several years back, they still rock.
One of the best concerts I've been too!
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1. A person that fixes stuff you can't.
2. One who does precision guesswork based on unreliable data provided by those of questionable knowledge.
JaxCoder.com
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ASP.NET, yuck.
Razor, yuck.
Even ASP.NET Core, ok, the pipeline concept is cool but it's so obtuse as to how to actually use it, and when you don't need it, how do you get rid of it, etc., etc.,
Basically, all of these technologies I've had to spend more time figuring out why they don't work than actually getting work done.
For example:
My latest adventure with Razor was refactoring an email template to handle multiple "you have been assigned a task..." messages, rather than one email per task.
So I thought, ok, I'll just add a models field and code it like this:
foreach(var model in @Model.models)
and refactor the rest of the code to use @model.whatever rather than @Model.whatever
Well, something about Razor is arbitrarily case insensitive, so the above worked in some places and not in others.
And geez, look at the code it generated:
public class RazorEngine_2468f450d36643faac8694a9733cba74 : RazorEngine.Templating.TemplateBase<.entityType in Foo.</a>> {
That piece, "entityType in Foo" is supposed to be part an inner div, like <div>@model.entityType in Foo<div>
But foreach(var modelInfo in @Model.models) and used as @modelInfo.whatever, well that worked fine.
POC.
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Web, yuck.
Get rid of the whole thing and start over.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: Get rid of the whole thing and start over.
And what do you propose we replace the "Web" with?
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Bring back Gopher! 
TTFN - Kent
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There was a bloke lurking out the front of my house yesterday. He was sticking bits of paper into slots in a box that I'd never noticed before.
I asked him what he was doing and he explained that there is this thing where you can write a message on a piece of paper and give it to someone who gives it to someone and then they give it to someone ... and eventually someone sticks it in the box outside the house of the person you wrote the message to.
And they get it. But most intriguing of all is that when they get it, and they read it, they are highly unlikely to contract ebola!
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Sounds to me you guys would love to emulate or at least read Terry Pratchett's Postoffice.
Don't let it interfere with your coding, though 
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Absobloodylutely!
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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Binding (such as it is) to controls uses model, iterating a collection (in the markup) uses Model.
Don't ask why - just accept it and grudgingly get on with the project.
It's a web dev zen thing.
For the record, I hate web dev work as well, but right now, it's a beans/table thing.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Quote: I pretty much despise all of Microsoft's web development technologies
FTFY.
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why don't you just use third party controls and frameworks and make your line of business app..web..windows etc...ya web used to be painful back in the old days too with hey its not working in my IE6 browser ...it should work on FireFox.... blahhh... the list never ends... oh and why is the browser hanging.. sh*t its loading all the data...
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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I don't think it is MS only, it is more the web tech itself at this time.
To much independed developments, no consensus between them, even they pray it that web dev/ "browsers" will make us independent from the platform.
Let us hope the tendence to go for "vanilla js" (even I'm not happy with js) will win in the sense that vanilla js can be a chance that no proprietary technologie will be prefered. Java itself had a similar target but failed.
Only my 2 cents...
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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Modern web development is like developing applications that are packaged and distributed as Microsoft Office documents.
Can you imagine how crazy we'd think someone was if they built something like a UI framework written in VBA to allow developing rich applications in Word documents? Why is a UI framework written in JavaScript to run in Html documents any different?
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Easy, browser engines don't have deep OS hooks like you can get through ActiveX and VBA.
But seriously, I disagree with your premise in principle.
If you've worked with Qt or WPF, you'll find that modern JS data binding/UI frameworks are not terribly different in concept. You use HTML templates and bind data and functionality called from services or factories to them declaratively. The JS can be coupled with the template in some frameworks (like Vue or React), or it might lean more towards the crappy WinForms code behind (like Angular or Backbone). In any case, you can easily have distinct business and UI layers, and in a complex enough application you'll likely also have a data layer to coordinate your models.
ES6 changed the game pretty fundamentally as well, making asynchronous promises, module imports, and polymorphism into first class JS citizens. As far as a UI binding engine goes, it's moved forwards by leaps and bounds in the last decade.
If your development experience with web tech "is like MSO VBA", you're likely doing something very, very wrong.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity."
- Hanlon's Razor
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Quote: the crappy excellent WinForms
FTFY
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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No, you definitely didn't.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity."
- Hanlon's Razor
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Oh yes I did! 
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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0x01AA wrote: Let us hope the tendence to go for "vanilla js"
Love the website: Vanilla JS[^] 
Try selecting everything you need and then download the script
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