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When I was looking for a job and if recruiter started talking to me about programming, I will hang up the phone. They read a script and if your response is not in accordance, you are wrong. This is idiotic. Also, why would I go to recruiter's office for a job else where?
Due to experiences like these, I only apply directly on company website or through their own LinkedIn page. While it does mean I need to register in million places, but it save me the hassle of replying to "What is polymorphism" type question to someone who only knows it from the definition given to him by his boss who in turn took it out of wikipedia.
I am so happy I am not in that boat anymore and probably wont be for long. 
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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I still remember ages ago that I had to explain them that my expertise was "Visual C++: and just because "Visual Basic" has the term "visual" please don't assume it fits me and send me invitations and start changing their search phrase.
cheers,
Super
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True story:
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Q. So do you have experience with programming languages like .Net framework 3.5 and C-hash.net?
Me: What? [hangs up]
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Q. So you are making X. But maximum we can offer is y (where Y was X/2). Would you be still interested? And you will also need to relocate to this city.
Me: No. [Hangs up]
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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lw@zi wrote: True story:
Two great stories! Thanks for sharing. So funny, I'm still laughing.
~George Bernard Shaw “When a thing is funny, search it carefully for a hidden truth.”
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Not long ago, I took a C++ test on LinkedIn at 2 in the morning for fun, cause I couldn't sleep. Having a 5 year gap since working in C++, in between I only did a test for another job opportunity, I was sure I was gonna fail. Miraculously passed, added it to my profile. The very next day, was contacted by a recruiter asking if I wanted a job for Back-end Software Engineer. "Did you even check out my profile? I have 4 years' working in Android App Development.", "Oh... Well I think we are also looking for an Android position." Times when you want to smash your own head into a wall.
I think they just search for the skills they think relate with the job and send you a pre-prepared message. Suffice it to say, I've learned to passively ignore these messages. And by ignore I mean politely decline their offer.
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lw@zi wrote: "What is polymorphism"
I've been asked this question so many damn times! A question that non-technical types ask to see if they are hiring a college Freshman so they can make a low-ball offer?
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FTFY
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back in the day...i used to give the candidate a paper (since it became a meme on the net)
Print every number between 1 and 100, However for numbers that are multiples of 3 print "Fizz" and for numbers that are multiples of five print "Buzz." For numbers that are multiples of both 3 and 5 print "FizzBuzz".
and later if anyone who actually got the job could understand the complicated sh*t like why objects needed version control and why the code was so f***ed up... they would just walk out... else the management would think they are just staring at the screen all day doing nothing when they embark on a project and later fire them to save some money and scrap the project.. its like dilbert...
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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abmv wrote: Print every number between 1 and 100, However for numbers that are multiples of 3 print "Fizz" and for numbers that are multiples of five print "Buzz." For numbers that are multiples of both 3 and 5 print "FizzBuzz".
I've written a version of that as a batch file.
Software Zen: delete this;
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I think the problem is that recruiters are expected to filter candidates. If they let too many unqualified ones through the screening process, they catch flak for wasting the company's time. So they end up rejecting qualified ones, in which case nobody knows.
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There is some truth to this. Companies handing recruiters boilerplate job descriptions and candidates who do everything they can to fill up 7 pages of buzzwords and listing every piece of tech they may have ever come across or had to read about in their past jobs. What could possibly go wrong?!
I love the pre-screening rating questionaires.. "On a scale of 1 to 5 how familiar are you with...?" Pretty good chance I'm "familiar" with just about all of these technologies/concepts listed by nature of the industry. Have I actually used or know how to apply said technology or concept??? That's not what was asked. 
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You too eh?
super wrote: He replied saying googling for syntax or any reference is not acceptable for Engineer/Developers.
If he sees such as cheating, is using Intellisense in the IDE allowed, or should you turn that off too? 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I would do that. What more than a simple text editor, MASM and the command shell do you need? I would even enjoy watching the little PHP and JavaScriptors stare at the screen in disbelief and terror. 
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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vi ? memories!
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Mordor![^]
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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I'm glad I clickd on the link at home, They don't need to see me mosh at Work!!!
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: If he sees such as cheating, is using Intellisense in the IDE allowed, or should you turn that off too?
Fantastic point!!!
I'm putting that on my resume:
Resume: "I don't use intellisense in any IDE because it is such a cheat. I've memorized the syntax and all methods for all libraries in the entire Windows API and all other known libraries (think JS here)"
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You shouldn't be able to compile either. Just checkin, and then get a green light or red light from the CI/Tests that run after checkin. Seeing the compile error or failed test info is cheating. /sarcasm.
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Some recruiter out there is prolly taking notes now, and thinking that this might just be a novel idea
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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What do you expect? If recruiters knew what we knew, then they wouldn't be recruiters, they would do the job themselves.
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I used to work for a company whose initials were "GIS". As a result I constantly got GIS opportunities offered to me. Although one day I might like to get into GIS (I am an amateur cartographer) I have no actual experience with those systems. That apparently didn't matter since I clearly had "GIS" on my CV so I must be good at it! 
I updated my CV to spell out the name in full but even now, twelve years later, I still get the odd GIS job coming up. 
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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I know two really good recruiters who actually enjoy helping people (I knew three, but one quit).
They connected on LinkedIn, regularly give me a call to ask me how I'm doing and what I'm doing (a bit of market research I guess).
We always have a nice chat, they clearly read my LinkedIn page in some detail, and they never offer me a job if I'm not asking for it.
So recently I started my own company and I told them I'd consider employment if the company was really good.
One of those guys actually said that when he heard me talk it would be good to try my own company for a while.
He still sent me an opportunity for the first time since I know him, which is years, because he actually thought the company was really nice for me.
So I went over there to talk and it was a really nice company, but I still decided not to work there.
The other one said he couldn't help me if I didn't want to go back to being employed, but a friend of his could help me with freelance jobs, so he introduced me.
One of them has an event planned for next week which I'll be visiting.
I've talked to the other one about talking at one of his events myself.
If I ever need employees I'd go to them.
The keyword here, which most recruiters seem to lack, is simply personal interest and effort.
In fact, if anyone in the Netherlands is looking for a new job I'd recommend one of these two guys (send me an email if you're interested, I can't openly advertise them on CP  ).
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Sander Rossel wrote: In fact, if anyone in the Netherlands is looking for a new job
How about in Germany?
cheers,
Super
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