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dandy72 wrote: I know what they meant--but if that's the case, then maybe the title should be
Do you mind if I use this in discussions I have with marketing folk about the need to be accurate when talking with developers?
WRT to the other questions:
Does it matter? Anything that moves us, even incrementally, towards a model where our apps work on all devices is a Good Thing. I don't care if it's not perfect. I'm just amazed that in 2019 we still have to write an app for Windows, then an app for Android and for iOS. The best answer to all of this is Xamarin or Javascript based apps. Javascript.
Bring on Windows 10X. I don't care if they paint if purple. Just fix this pointless duality.
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Chris Maunder
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Just keep your darn Windows off my OpenVMS.
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Chris Maunder wrote: dandy72 wrote: I know what they meant--but if that's the case, then maybe the title should be
Do you mind if I use this in discussions I have with marketing folk about the need to be accurate when talking with developers?
Please do - I certainly don't own the patent on the idea. May you succeed where others have failed. Write back. Let us know how it turns out. Godspeed. Etc.......
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"However, over the past few years they have turned onwards..."
Did you mean inwards?
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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Yeah. Blame the autocorrect on the iPhone 
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Chris Maunder
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That would never happen on an Android device.
/ravi
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Careful there, Ravi. Apple has copyright, trademark, and patent rights on all forms of hyperbole, and they're zealous in their defense of those rights.
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As a former Apple user (I still have a MacBook Pro, but it's booting up Debian more often than not), I will have to agree with you on the innovation stagnation. The one great thing Apple had going for it was the synergy you had when you bought the entire Apple ecosystem. Everything was adjusted accordingly whether you were working on you iPhone, iPad, Mac Pro or MacBook Pro. And you had an almost flawless consistency of interface throughout the ecosystem.
But what I've been seeing lately is confusing and confounding features that really aren't well thought out, and I'm seeing that Apple is sitting on their laurels more than taking the spear and leading the charge, even though they have been poised to do so for over a decade. It's almost as if Steve Jobs died with the recipe to the Secret Special Sauce and forgot to tell the folks at Apple where to find it.
I did like that Microsoft will be adding AMD processors to their Surface lineup, and finally adopting Android into their world. I worry that Microsoft is on the "Extend" part of thier usual "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" game plan. Good news...if they do try to extinguish FOSS, all others have to do is fork it to survive. I think they are changing their playbook, though. The Github acquisition, for instance, is out of character. So was their release of Visual Studio Code, which has become my favorite IDE-lite text editor on just about every platform.
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It's not about hardware or software anymore. The battle is currently a land grab to get as many users as possible on Azure. They are going directly against AWS and Google. Get your customers deeply embedded with TB or PB of data safely tucked away in your data centres and they won't go anywhere. Interestingly Apple doesn't even feature here, but maybe with the push for more services Apple will start to play catch up.
I'm actually curious as to why Microsoft is pushing the Surface line. Obviously they want adoption of their OS and services to funnel people to Azure, so I'm wondering if building the industry's best hardware (whether true or not) is an attempt to induce a halo effect.
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Chris Maunder
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Sadly the world has changed such that you can't make money selling an OS anymore. They may want to do the whole 'join our cloud, or else' thing; but, even if they don't, they have little choice. Blame Google for all of this. When they finally figured out how to get ridiculously rich, without hardly any obligations to anyone for it, and of course by making their users their product, what was the last bird in the coffin under the bridge for companies at that level who actually wanted to sell software products.
We are heading straight back to the mainframe and dumb terminal (no matter how pretty the UI is on the terminal now.)
Explorans limites defectum
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AFell2 wrote: I worry that Microsoft is on the "Extend" part of thier usual "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" game plan.
What is this, 1997? Or have I somehow accidentally wandered onto Slashdot?
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It's a valid worry whenever Microsoft is involved. Just because the lion has laid down with the lamb doesn't mean lamb isn't on the menu anymore. It just means that it's convenient at this time. Who knows what tomorrow will bring?
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The company culture has changed. I don't think those days are coming back. Especially with everyone watching - they can't afford to try to pull the crap they used to get away with.
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So I set the build option "Show output window when build starts." In all previous versions of VS, it would switch to the output window. That's what "Show output window" means, right?
Nope, on VS2019, it does nothing. What...the...f....
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Turn it off and back on again?
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It's a preview release (i.e. you test it, so they don't have to).
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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why worry, vs21 coming soon (means whatever state 19 is in it'll stay there).
don't get too excited but rumor has it with 21 there will be a new icon.
the rest, that is what they don't remove, will be familiar but 'better'
and more new obscure (mostly unnecessary for people that craft decent code) c# features too
- the kiddies will go wild ... yay!!! let's update 90% of the git repositories even though it's still in preview
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Sounds like VS2019 is making progress.
Technician
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2. One who does precision guesswork based on unreliable data provided by those of questionable knowledge.
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Works for me. 
#SupportHeForShe
Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: Works for me.
That's nice. 
Come on over and get it working for me! 
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Surprisingly I've never had that happen.
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Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: Surprisingly I've never had that happen.
Hmm, which for some reason gives me the idea to restart VS2019.
Nope. Still broke.
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Have you tried reformatting the device and installing linux?
#SupportHeForShe
Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Hmm. Someone must have left the ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) WithClifton build switch turned on again.
Software Zen: delete this;
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