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Um, manufacturers don't have to decide whether to support one or the other, they can support both. Most still don't give much of a crap about Linux. Especially those targeting mostly consumers.
But I would make the claim that there's an awful lot of Linux devs over the last few years who have picked up the slack and have made drivers for hardware that OEMs don't care to support on Linux.
My primary point was that nowadays, there's plenty of distributions that will work, out of the box, with random hardware that, on Windows, require additional drivers to be hunted down and installed. Random wifi chipsets, wireless printers, and things for example like volume and screen brightness that are controlled with buttons on the keyboard. Webcams that--as far as Windows is concerned--are dead products...Wireless printer setup has always been a crapshoot for me on Windows - the few I've installed on Linux have been as painless as installing a local printer. I've been a Linux hater for quite a while. These days as far as hardware support is concerned, I'm starting to feel like Windows is falling behind.
You're free to make of that what you will. I'm just relaying my experience.
[Edit]
But let me re-iterate again--if it's supported out of the box, then great, you're golden. But if it's not...then getting things going is still more of a pain than on Windows (but probably, again, because I'm more familiar with Windows as far as that goes).
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Dan Neely wrote: As a few of you might remember, a bit over a year ago Defender blew up on my desktop and despite trouble shooting help from a few people here I was never able to get it to go back to using a tiny sliver of CPU time like it's supposed to.
It was probably me that helped you. You can throttle Windows Defender to only use 5% of your CPU with the Windows Defender powershell cmdlet.
You are probably looking for:
Set-MpPreference -ScanAvgCPULoadFactor 5
Documentation is here[^]
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I'll give that a shot later.
Should be interesting to see if choking off its CPU use makes my system run better because it's freeing resources, or gets worse because the WTFery it's doing before passing a link from one application to the next or etc ends up taking several times longer to complete.
My end goal is still to shut it down entirely in favor of just a 3rd party scanner. That defender is malfunctioning in one way leaves me unable to trust that it's actually working at all.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Can you stop the Windows Defender service?
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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I did shut defender down a year ago.
But you can't just do the normal stop service like with most things though because that'd make it too easy for malware to tear down the defenses at the start of an attack.
It's supposed to turn itself off automatically if you've got something else installed and running though. I don't recall if the registry key off switch I set a year ago was from trying to kill it before installing a 3rd party program or because it refused to turn off even after I'd done that.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Dan Neely wrote:
But you can't just do the normal stop service like with most things though...
So when I stopped that service on my (Windows 7) system right before making that reply, are you saying that it didn't really stop?
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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Not in 10. Tried and got access denied. Not just on my problem system either; it's the same on my properly functioning (and I have local admin) work pc too.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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That appeared to have some effect, but not the on label function.
Total CPU load by defender dropped from 25/20% (system idle vs distributed computing trying to load all cores) to 16/12% after a reboot that was steady for at 10 10 minutes. Then at some point over the next hour (not sure exactly because I was fighting with something else and only noticed it later) it dropped to an idle load cycling between 0 and 16% at seeming random. In pulsing load mode it doesn't appear to be lagging the system even when it spikes.
Considering it should be shut down completely and running 2 AVs at once is never a good thing I still need to figure out how to hammer a stake through it's heart again though.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Apparently I spoke too soon, it's ramped back up to a steady 15-16% load and lagging the system again.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Definitely spoke too soon. Defender ramped back to the 25%/2 cores load level while overall lag amd various 'insane' issues (eg explorer restarting repeatedly for a few minutes before fully loading, some applications failing to load parts of their UI - most commonly text) proliferating and getting worse with each start.  Right now the only question on my mind if if I should just restore to a backup from a few days ago to get a reasonably well functioning system in the short term (and then experiment with upgrading to 1809 or 1909 to see if I can get it in a patch appliable state again - 1803 is about to be EOL so I can't stay there for any length of time); or bite the big bullet and do what I should've a bit over a year ago, restore to a backup from before defender got hosed in the first place, patch to current and then extract/restore current user data separately. 
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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I abandoned Defender many years ago in favour of Kaspersky, because it did the same thing with Win7 for me: hogged a huge amount of CPU every afternoon, despite being told to cease and desist.
I've been running 1903 on Desktop and Surface for a while now, and have seen no ill effects at all.
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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OriginalGriff wrote: and have seen no ill effects at all.
Assuming one blissfully ignores all the spying allegations being made against Kaspersky these days (whether intentional or not).
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For some reason, half of my Azure environment stopped working.
I got some Web Apps that simply won't start.
I get some "HTTP Error 502.5 - Bad Gateway" and "The specified CGI application encountered an error and the server terminated the process."
Sometimes it starts, after like five minutes of loading, if I don't get a "500 - The request timed out".
I've added some poor man's logging which tells me it's not MY code that's running slow 
I even redeployed the application to a complete new Web App, something I've done a million times over, and it just won't start (but with another weird error message).
It worked two weeks ago 
Yesterday, I spent the entire day fixing a bug that (I guess) was some deadlock.
It always worked up till yesterday.
The DevOps builds failed yesterday as well, since the default .NET Framework was changed from 2.2 to 3...
My guess is that this is something similar, but that's almost not possible since it still works sometimes...
That's two days spent fixing "sudden" bugs and I have no idea where they came from (and so far I don't know how to fix them either)
UPDATE:
I FOUND IT!
Or at least, I know where the problem is, not exactly what it is.
Apparently, it has something to do with Application Insights
I guess I'll just do without it, for now.
modified 1-Oct-19 6:21am.
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Why me?[^]
or, maybe...[^]
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
modified 1-Oct-19 6:49am.
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Fair enough 
I can't deny I've build up some negative karma in my life 
That time I hard coded "if (user.Name == "Some name")" (because the code worked for everyone except him) alone is worth decades of bad luck
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It could have been worse, if you had written that little gem in VB 
"Five fruits and vegetables a day? What a joke!
Personally, after the third watermelon, I'm full."
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Actually, it was... I just translated it to C# because this is CP and I'd like to keep it civil
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So, you definitely deserve your fate
One day, you'll end up in one of those groups:
Sander: Hi, my name is Sander, and I have used VB.
Group : Hi, Sander!
"Five fruits and vegetables a day? What a joke!
Personally, after the third watermelon, I'm full."
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I thought CP was that group!
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Isn't remove all application insight references step one in task list?
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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I've never had issues with AI, so I'm not sure why it's giving me such a hard time now.
It's also all automatically configured by Azure, so I can't really do anything with it.
No. 1 on the list is checking if I have some long running code, like connections to external services (especially KeyVault, which takes around 30 seconds on my local machine).
Step 2 is trying a redeploy.
Step 3 is add some extra logging.
I also just installed a Let's Encrypt test certificate, so I thought that might've been the problem.
Then there's checking if a deployment to a new Web App works (which it didn't).
...
Step 666 was to disable AI
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Sander Rossel wrote: I've never had issues with AI
But without?
Sander Rossel wrote: Step 666 was to disable AI
You think it's better to be naturally dumb than artificially intelligent? Wait, don't answer until you turn the AI back on... 
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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All current "AI" is just machine learning.
So yeah, I think it's better to be naturally dumb than to be a marketing buzzword
Luckily, I can (almost) always trust my natural intelligence 
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Sander Rossel wrote: marketing buzzword
They did a great job. Nobody would want a trained monkey to drive their car, but very many can't wait to hand that job to a tiny computer that works with several orders of magnitude less neurons than that monkey.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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It's not the number of neurons that count, but what you do with them
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