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i'm around. just not coding at the moment.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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Your return could've been a bit more dramatic.
I was thinking something like "Mortals! Thou hath awakened me from abyssal sleep. State thy business!" 
Now it's just a bit of an anti climax 
Missed opportunity, really...
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Fanfare is for parlor magicians. I'll just turn your pet into a fruit basket.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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If you do that to Nika we're gonna have a problem, I don't even care that you're a mighty witch who can turn me into a toad 
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Cats are okay. They don't count as pets anyway. More, humans are their subjects.
Well, mine is a familiar of course.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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honey the codewitch wrote: More, humans are their subjects.
So you're going to turn ME into a fruit basket? 
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Well, she turned me into a newt[^]!
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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I'm with Sander: mess with his cat, and you'll face us both.
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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slow down a bit,
depends on what sort of fruit will be in the basket.
... if it's ambrosia I say turn em both into baskets.
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No, I just haven't been coding lately so I haven't been here.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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honey the codewitch wrote: No, I just haven't been coding lately so I haven't been here.
Easy. We are usually here more when we don't code. 
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I was recently given a Windows form application to work on. It was done as a single form with over 24,000 lines in the code behind file. I was taught that no file should be over 1,000 lines. Maybe 2,000 if a lot of repetition was required. What do others feel about the maximum size of a single file?
Not also the single form had nested tab containers with over 600 controls on this singe form. They went as much as 5 deep. It was an abuse of the Window Forms framework in many aspects. My question is only about code file size.
So many years of programming I have forgotten more languages than I know.
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michaelbarb wrote: I was taught that no file should be over 1,000 lines. Maybe 2,000 if a lot of repetition was required. What do others feel about the maximum size of a single file?
By who?? Anytime you put a limit on th enumber of lines, you're asking for trouble. What if the limit's 1000 lines and you need to insert 3 more lines to fix something?
The size of the code file is irrelevant. You can have a large file, well written and maintained, that works fine. You could also have a small file with 20 lines that's crap and needs to be thrown away.
From a UI perspective, it does sound too busy. From that angle, I'd consider redesigning it.
This whole thing smells of an old, legacy code app that can't/won't be refactored from some reason.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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These were rules of thumb and not intended to be hard fast limits. More like best practice rules where there are all kinds of reasons to break them but better if you do not.
It was only written a year ago.
So many years of programming I have forgotten more languages than I know.
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As small as possible, and no smaller.
Maybe the project began with .net v1 when partial classes weren't supported?
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Single responsibility principle.
A class should do a single thing, meaning it has one reason to change (or something like that).
I find that my classes are rarely larger than a few 100 lines.
I recently wrote one of about 600 lines and it felt like an absolute beast to me.
I can't really put an upper limit on lines per file, but 24,000 in a single class is WAY TOO MUCH. Period.
That's just unmanageable.
The tab containers, for example, should've been in their own files.
You look at the solution and you see OrderForm.cs, TabControl.cs, MyTextBox.cs, OrderRepository.cs, etc. and you know what kind of work you can expect.
Looking at a solution and seeing only OrderForm.cs, but with 24,000 lines tells you nothing of what is going on or where to find it.
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I have several thoughts.
File length may be some sort of measure that is weakly correlated to how much of a mess the code is, but if it is used a target then it loses its value as a measure.
If turning a long code file into several short ones just means introducing unnatural/forced "file breaks" (kind of like a line break but more dramatic, indeed this same principle applies to a line length limit) at random points, nothing has been gained by doing it. Cutting up a mess just results in a cut-up mess, cutting up a non-mess creates a mess.
Long files are a bit annoying to navigate, but so is "lots of files in a project".
Having closely related things spread of different files is more annoying to keep straight and navigate between and choose where to add new stuff. Having some incidental not-quite-so-closely-related things in the same file isn't really a problem but more like something that will trigger some people's compulsive need to organize.
If a form has hundreds of controls, which I'm not saying is great to have, but if it has, then it's going to have a long code-behind file automatically, just to put the event handlers and basic control-related logic there. 24k lines sounds like there's a bunch of other stuff in there too that maybe could reasonably be somewhere else, maybe. But I don't know.
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I don't have any hard guidelines but I like to stay under about 20KB when possible. Sometimes it just isn't and I don't start splitting things up if I get close to that.
I feel your pain though. We have a code module here that is over 2MB long and almost 90K lines. It is full of ifdefs and several large functions have three or four implementations in it with only subtle differences. We hold this up as an example of how not to do things ever and a justification for why we are trying to rewrite everything it was involved in. It is truly horrendous.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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Very recently, a single-file that contained ... a guess we can call it a "data layer", with no less than 270 class-global OracleCommand definitions to start with, followed by almost 200 DataAdapters, 200 DataSets, a few Data Readers. With the useless comments that went with them, that's just the first 1,000 lines of this 16,000-line horror show.
...and that's just the "data layer". Even though data is all this one file handles, I really wouldn't call it a "data layer". It's more an amalgam of data, UI validation methods, and business rules.
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I'd hoped to read a tale that resembled mine.
Fortunately, you've supplied the fun by talking about a file that will just fit into a 16bit seg.
I tried to save my file one day and pow no-go. I'd also hit the 64k limit and now had to transition to some other text editor since my syntax-highlighting one could no longer chew on what I fed it. CRAP! Bloody Notepad it is then for this x86 assembly.
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Actually, now that I think about it, that 64k limit was for a proc/function.
This really only equated to about 1400 lines of code. Sorry for the confusion.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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Th combination of jumbo file size and gazillion controls suggests to me a programmer strategy called "lifetime employment insurance."
cheers, Bill
«One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali
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I vote this the best comment in the whole thread.
So many years of programming I have forgotten more languages than I know.
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I will second michaelbarb's Motion.
A perfect comment and gets my vote for the best.
"Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read." Frank Zappa 1980
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