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Yes, thx for the list. I read somewhere that BitDefender
had good reviews.
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I will be using Win 7 on my wife's computer until one of us is dead--or she really ticks me off--and both events may occur at the same time.
I simply do not want to put up with the gnashing of teeth, complaining, and 5AM wakeups that "My computer isn't working: I can't get Dr. Phil video's on my screen."
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Well, I presented a demo of the tool (written with WPF) on Wednesday, and as of yesterday, as a proof of concept exercise, the team (five devs) had successfully generated over 1600 (validated) model classes with it - spending a combined 15 minutes on the task.
I'm gonna call that a win.
Semi-related note: I found out that nobody else on the team has ANY experience with WPF. To say I was a bit surprised is an understatement.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Hi John, none of the programmers I know ( myself included ) have used WPF, I played with it a bit but never used it in anger
"We can't stop here - this is bat country" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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Same here.
Back when it was "hot" (if it ever was) I was still doing WinForms development and my company looked at WPF for a while, but we decided to stick with WinForms.
I think I used a WPF control on a WinForm once, but that's about it.
If I did serious desktop development now I'd sooner consider Electron[^], which uses plain HTML rather than XAML, with JavaScript or TypeScript, and runs cross platform.
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And me - I looked at it, and thought it was a nice control stack, but the design tools just didn't seem "finished", making it all look like amateur hour compared to WinForms. I decided to leave it and let it get out of prototype before I invested in significant learning: the designer is still the same, so I haven't got any closer.
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I remember from that time that Microsoft recommended typing out your entire XAML, despite having a designer 
The main issue, I believe, was that the designer generated a constant width and height while it should've been relative or some enum value.
From a design perspective, the greatest pro to WPF was responsiveness, something which WinForms isn't very good at.
However, with those constant width and height it didn't scale at all 
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I only use the designer to make sure everything is lining up - I still type the xaml by hand. Like anything else you're just starting out with, you adapt as you learn where the quirks are.
BTW, I don't have problems with constant width/height. I make copious use of row and column definitions set to either Auto or *, and almost always let the controls inside the grid determine their own widths/heights. The hardest thing to deal with is how font sizes can affect everything, especially if you have a user control object that is supposed to inherit the parent element's font properties.
I prefer WPF to Winforms, if for no other reason than the data binding and enforcement of almost fanatical MVVM use. I did this app in a week and a half.
I'll try to un-workify it and post an article.
Finally, if you're at all interested, I found that the best way to learn WPF is to duplicate one of your old WinForms apps as a WPF app. It will not only help you learn WPF, but can also serve to show you where your winforms app could have been made better.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I'd be interested in seeing an article John
"We can't stop here - this is bat country" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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For what it's worth I skipped WinForms entirely and went straight to WPF. I was developing the UI for a new product, with my choices being our existing C++/MFC implementation or changing to C#/.NET. WinForms seemed to be a relatively thin layer over the Windows API, and wasn't an improvement over MFC. WPF offered vastly more flexible layout handling and a lot more basic capability out-of-the-box.
The end result is a nice-looking, adaptive, 'fluent' user interface in an industry where most UI's are an afterthought with no regard for the system operator. There are products out there where the $2M machine has a text-mode  user interface.
Software Zen: delete this;
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#realJSOP wrote: I prefer WPF to Winforms, if for no other reason than the data binding and enforcement of almost fanatical MVVM use.
That's a very good argument.
Data binding in WinForms is... clunky at best.
It works great with HTML and JavaScript (and frameworks such as Vue.js), that was a real eye-opener for me when I switched to web.
I can only imagine it works pretty much the same in WPF.
The last time I created a new desktop app is at least four years ago though
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#realJSOP wrote: I'll try to un-workify it and post an article.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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#realJSOP wrote: I'll try to un-workify it and post an article.
Yes, please
«One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali
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And when you use it it will be in anger.
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I wanted to get a new version of audacity to edit some video / audio for my wife.
fast search in google... first link... www.audacity.de --> Popup of the antivirus... phising site
perfect google, perfect...  
Good that I remembered a link to the correct site I posted myself in the free tools forum
M.D.V.
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It's you're fault. pay attention to the urls.
We have to tell our end users that over and over and over anew.
You're a coder.
You should know better.
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The audacity ! 
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Ron Anders wrote: You're a coder.
You should know better.
I know... and exactly that's a big part of my rant...
One second don't double checked (trusting the fvcking Google) and plof...
But don't worry... my "paranoia" level just got a huge push
Edit:
Ron Anders wrote: You're a coder.
You should know better.
And that's why too... the second part of the rant: that google doesn't know / can't differentiate which is the good site, I extremely doubt it. So, what the elephant does a bad (potentially dangerous) result do in the first place?
M.D.V.
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modified 28-Sep-19 9:03am.
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Yupp... that was the "hidden" rant
M.D.V.
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A few minutes ago, I got a ad from Corel offering me an upgrade of my existing PaintShop Pro 2019 to the 2020 version, for £39.99.
Only one detail, guys: I bought and installed the upgrade, along with the full Painter 2019 app, Pinnacle Studio 23, and a couple of other bits yesterday from Humble for $25 (£21.11 including PayPal exchange rate) ...
BTW: if you are looking for PSP (or even just the full version of Painter rather than the Express version) the bundle is available for another week or so: Humble Software Bundle: Painter - Create With Confidence (pay what you want and help charity)[^]
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Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I never got why Corel didn't do any better after its destruction.
I mean, if you want to go to the very popular Gold Saucer you have to go through Corel.
You'd think they'd get SOMETHING out of all that tourism!
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I think they offered you a special customized version with lots of new plugins like the sheep effects plugin
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If you still have 2019 installed, that's the one asking to be upgraded. It's just jealous of your 2020 installation.
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