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Sander Rossel wrote: This ended better than I expected
At least until the next W10 update! 
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Sometimes it takes a downturn to make an upturn
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... but I think the NATO Diesels[^] had to go when they were old enough to be the pilot's dad. Just looking what my old employer has been up to.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Maybe they can make an opera about it, the "opera of the Phantom" 
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*Mirror opens*
Christine: *looks at person with mask.*
Person with mask: "I identify as an F4-F Phantom II"
A timeless classic modernized 
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These "flying ovens" are outdated like a Window 3.1 PC and will get shut down even my some older MiGs.
It is best to know when its "time to say goodbye" 
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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Politics. The Cold War was over, so the politicians delayed replacing them by 20 years. Lots of money that was saved and since we did not have to shoot at anyone in the meantime...
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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weapons have two important roles. One is to refuse an attacker and second to menace other. So the real use of them isnt the best way.
To find some rogue regime for an attack is easy 
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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The Phantom was a result of 1950's design (Make it Mach 2!, we have air to air refueling), It got upgrades due to being outclassed by Migs (17 & 21), I still have to agree with test pilot who thought it upside down! Good radar though...
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As far as I remember, the first fights with MIGs were in Vietnam. The problem with the early Phantoms was that they had no close range weapons, only missiles. They thought that they could avoid fights at close range that way, but that did not work out very well. To correct this, they added this[^].
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Not at first, I was told by a RAF ground crew (retired) I was at uni with him (had a limp from getting blown up in the Falklands, travelled out on Bravo November), that the RAF / Royal Navy F4's had SSU-30 gun pod, which was only loaded with less than half Ammo as firing caused the Tragetting system to lock up and need a reset. You could fire 2 or 3 Bursts touch the trigger let go, if you held it for longer it crash the targetting computer(!)...Intresting Guy, had cancer from the Chenobyl bang as he was the only nuclear qualified member on shift at Gibraltar when a Nimrod did an over fly... 
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Just as the A-10 Thunderbolt II. A lean approach with a few number of 5th generation multirole machines costs much less in maintenance.
They are iconic, but they're objects... replaceable.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Point, the A-10 was a Jet power IL2 a flying tank... I'd like to see an F-35 stand up the punishment A-10 can!-
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In a scenario with highly controlled aerospace it is as good as done, the point is not to resist to a SAM hit but to avoid it altogether - SAM and MANPADS aren't bullets that can be "shrug off". One of those *will* mess up any plane.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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The A-10 was designed to be hit and still flyable (something like loose half a wing, an Engine, the pilot sat in an Armoured bath tub!). There is or was a photo of one from Gulf 1, which had taken a MANPAD missle the blew the port engine and tail off  , got the pilot home!
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So how did they celebrate when the Erdnagels were pensioned?
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Do you mean F-104? I was told the cheap way to get one was to buy a field on the Dutch / German boarder and wait!
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Also called the flying coffin.
I understand about a third of them crashed before being phased out.
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Now that was awesome.
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Where would they stop?! 
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BACON[^]
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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BotD? How about BotF[^]?
Edit: Ooops. Wrong language. Better link...[^]
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Doesn't fit between two slices of bread.
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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