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Just be grateful that you have air-con, this place is like a Turkish bath.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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Yes, but be fair - you do work for a sauna company.
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Never throw anything away, Griff
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I often think that I do! It has to be 80 outside before someone even contemplates turning the heating down. 
It's not just here, of course, it's shops, it's public transport, it's pubs, it's people's houses - everywhere is so over-heated these days.
My mother always pinpoints the invention of the disposable nappy as the beginning of the end of western civilisation but I lay the blame firmly at the door of central heating.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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It's certainly responsible for some things: damage to antiques for example. And I'd put the blame at least partly on CH for in the increase in asthma and suchlike problems. Since houses are "better sealed" you don't get early-and-continual exposure to pollens and so on, which has to be partly responsible.
On the other hand, you get less fires and carbon monoxide deaths ... and a toasty house in winter.
We don't have CH, never have. No mains gas here, and nowhere to safely put a oil tank or gas bottles, so we are all electric, since we stopped using the fireplace.
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Come home to a real fire - buy a cottage in Wales! 
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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Ah, the good old "Plaid Cymru Free Fire Engine" jokes are the best! 
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I am from New England. They keep the office at 68 all summer so the cold of winter will not bother us. In the winter heat is set at 64. I think it is to also keep us awake.
I college they enforced a dress code by keeping the class rooms at 66. You had to wear long pants and long sleeve shirts.
AC can be abusive.
So many years of programming I have forgotten more languages than I know.
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Please don't repost if your comment does not appear immediately: both of these went to moderation and required a human being to review them for publication. In order to prevent you being kicked off as a spammer, both had to be accepted, and then I have to clean up the spares. Have a little patience, please!
I've deleted the second version.
I remember AC abuse from my first visit to Malaysia - everything is AC controlled to a massive degree.
We were waiting about for a coach from Penang to Singapore and wondering why all the locals had thick coats and blankets on a beautiful warm night. Boy did we find out!
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Quote: Sometimes all I need is the air that I breathe
And to love you
All I need is the air that I breathe
Yes, to love you
All I need is the air that I breathe ...
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Too bad you don't live in a tropical clime. Smelling old soup would be the least of your problems. Around here, week-old soup can walk, jump and is growing fangs!
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Talking about cats, I can only give advice about how to hunt them. Cats are evil. Cats are a silent Skynet. Cats would rule the world weren't it that we still can stop them with a good side kick. They know this and it frustrates them even more. Cats are useless, they only sleep, eat and disappear to reappear at the very moment you do not need them. They break things for the mere purpose of breaking them. They show no joy. They do not play once they are more than a couple of weeks old, or only to torture mices endlessly before eating them. They lose their fur everywhere in the house with being ashamed about it. They are useless against intruders.
Join the CCC, "le Comité Contre les Chats".
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Yes, but they have bad points as well.
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Yes you can, apparently: YouTube has many examples.
Here's one - Marmalade The Cat Uses The Toilet And Flushes When He Is Done!! - YouTube[^] - but if you are at work, remember you will be watching a cat have a dump ...
Come to think about it, even if you aren't at work, you will be watching a cat have a dump. I try to avoid that in real life myself, but whatever floats your boat.
Out cat tries as hard as possible to not use his litter tray: he prefers to go outside. When it's really pouring down with rain, the look of indecision on his face is priceless - but outdoor loo always wins.
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Did he ever turn around and try the front door in hope the weather there would be better?
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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No, but ...
The back door is a sliding glass thingie, and I have a Portable Cat Flap that I made to fit it: a plank with a cat flap in it, polished, routed, and coated in Danish Oil, fitted with door furniture and handles so I can slide the door, fit the cat flap, and the cat can go in and out as he wants without the weather getting in. When I want to go in or out, or it's lock-in time for the cat, I remove it and slide the door shut.
So in the morning he bounces from foot to foot by the door in anticipation: looking at me, then the door, then me, then the door, ... until I give in and open it for him. Then he sticks his head out, looks at the weather in disgust, turns around, and sits down to glare through the glass door with a "well and truly pissed off" look on his face. 
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Thanks for the link, but I think i wil refrain from looking videos, even if I was at home 
But if anybody is interested on this kind of shows, he can go to vet and ask for their "menu", at least mine has a big menu with pictures of all the possible shapes and consistencies to choose from 
'Just because nobody complains doesn't mean all parachutes are perfect.'
Benny Hill
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5imone wrote: So, the question is, did anybody try to teach his pet master how to properly use a real toilette? If yes, did it work?
been done, seen it on youtube somewhere.
probably Japan, they do weird stuff like that all the time (and the cat's there know if they don't do it they really will be replaced by a robot.)
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Unfortunately they (since I'm talking of 2 new comers) are not yet allowed to get outside, since they could not get vaccinated due to massive worm infestation (or at least this said the vet). Another point that inhibit the outdoor, is the fact they are female and still "complete", so i would not like to let 2 cats out and get 10 or more back.
Finally, even if it would be just a couple of months more to have them allowed to get out, Winter is coming, and i fear it would be not a real option when snow and frozen mud will be the panorama for some months
And yes, I know internet is full of everything, but I'd be more interested in direct experience
'Just because nobody complains doesn't mean all parachutes are perfect.'
Benny Hill
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I didn't know you can't vaccinate cats with worms, but since most vets want as much of your money as they can get hold of I'd tend to believe him ... worming treatments cost me around £8 per year per cat, but vaccinations make them a whole load more dosh!
Definitely leave them in until they are vaccinated, fixed, and microchipped - but after that the weather shouldn't be a major problem, they will treat it as an adventure / hunt / territorial exploration anyway!
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My wife tried with our rescue cat who was a few years old, and it was an unsuccessful, traumatic experience for the cat. I suggest trying it only with a kitten.
I understand that a large water bill is a potential side effect. Cats a keenly interested in the flushing water, so if you teach your cat to flush, watch out!
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5imone wrote: how to properly use a real toilette?
I've never even considered that. The onboard firmware seems to handle the litter box routine with only minor prompting on first installation(*).
(*) Translation: All of my cats have either known how to use a litter box, or could figure it out by me dragging their front paws through the litter once or twice.
Software Zen: delete this;
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You're perfectly right, the outine in itself works perfectly right; the problem is most due to the garbage collector thread, that consumes too many resources, especially in the morning when all the systems are starting up and some of them have strict time limitation (the cloud named school does not accept delays )
'Just because nobody complains doesn't mean all parachutes are perfect.'
Benny Hill
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Herte's my procedure.When the cat goes to the litter box, grab it walk to the toilet, raise the lid, that is important
SAY "hERE KITTY, YOU NEED TO GO HERE FROM NOW ON. tHE SECOND TIME REPEAT, BUT THROW THE CAT IN THE TOILET. iF IT TAKES A THIRD TIME, YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN.
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I hate this. I always feel like throwing up when I go to a new job. Not a big fan of change, I think.
And the offer is 10K less than I wanted, 8K less (gross) than I'm making now.
However, because income tax wouldn't apply, my actual take-home would be about 800 more per paycheck.
So it's a good deal, but it still feels like a crap deal. Weird psychology and tummy going rumble rumble rumble.
And it's Java. 
I should just close my eyes and push the "accept" button.
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