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Ravi Bhavnani wrote: Assuming you existed at the time, where were you, pray tell?
That's too much assuming... at least for me 
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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In my early teens in a boarding school where the TV was only turned on Saturday night and news was not available so I was completely unaware of the outside world. I removed myself from that environment a year later at age 15.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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I was about a month from entering High School, spending a week at Sunset Beach, Peoples' Republic of Kalifornia (nee, California). I knew how to play every song the Beatles ever wrote on my guitar, and was too shy to talk to girls, let alone ask one out. So I spent a lot of time in my room, or on the beach, playing guitar and singing to no one in particular. I dreamed of attending Woodstock, but Mom wouldn't give me a note, or pay for a bus ticket to get to New York. If I was a modern snowflake, I'd claim to have been emotionally scarred by that, and sue both my parents, but since they're both dead, I'd have to settle for welfare and whining about my sad state of affairs for the rest of my useless life. Instead, I got an education and a few good jobs, and got over the trauma.
Will Rogers never met me.
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More evidence that I was born in the wrong place at slightly the wrong time. 
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wherein you take all the components you can find, no matter what they do, and glue them into a project.
Then from there, you pare away what you don't need.
I'm pretty sure this is how half of all apps are developed today.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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Is there a specific project you have in mind? 
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honey the codewitch wrote: Then from there, you pare away what you don't need.
well you can do that, but paring out would have to be done before sales / marketing has any inkling.
once THEY find out what's inside, useful, logical, sensible or no, there's no way they won't be out there promising it to customers.
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How does this compare with the dev model where you create a never-ending project, whose scope is so broad you can only approximate it at any one given moment in time, using only your own code, and, then, spend more time posting/preening about it on a forum meant for socializing, than writing code ?
«Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot
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I spend a lot more time writing code than I spend here. And the scope is not broad.
It's a parser generator and grammar translator. The scope is pretty well defined.
It's just big, because of the nature of it.
Right now, ANTLR is MUCH MUCH bigger.
Honestly I don't really think I need or want to be defensive here so scratch that, but I'm also not going to treat you in kind, because I'm not in the mood for drama.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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honey the codewitch wrote: I'm not in the mood for drama.
"How long, oh Lord, how long ?" 
«Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot
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as long as it takes. i don't know what your beef with me is, and why it only comes out sometimes, but this isn't the first time you've come at me and I don't get it.
And I find that I really don't want to. But I'm not playing along, so instead I'm disengaging.
Have a good night/day whatever your timezone allows for
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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Don't worry about Bill, he is just testing you, did it with me too the first times 
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I mean, if he wants to know if I'm buggy, i sure am.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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Rick, remember: the final exam is yet to come
«Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot
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Shiver 
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honey the codewitch wrote: what your beef with me is,
I am vegan.
«Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot
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Nah, you can't be: you don't start every sentence with "As a vegan, ..." 
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Never throw anything away, Griff
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As a vegan, I take offense!
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Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies. And bacon. Together we will rule the galaxy!
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Never throw anything away, Griff
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OriginalGriff wrote: We have cookies. And bacon. Together, along with our cardiologist, we will rule the galaxy!
FTFY.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Hah, you're still doing THAT!?
Yes, this method was popular a few years ago, but it has since been perfected and mostly automated.
The new hype is to pick a framework, any framework, load that into your project, and get all the other components for free!
I'll explain it to you so you can keep up with the times.
Create a new folder, open up a command prompt, and install gulp using npm (npm install gulp).
Here's the resulting node_modules folder:
Size: 5.98 MB
Size on disk: 8.85 MB
Contains: 2823 files, 706 folders
The total amount of packages installed is 267
And you were thinking of downloading 267 packages manually? Amateur! 
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You're doing it (very) wrong. You take all the components you can find, glue them into a project (literally - Ctrl-V) then you implement and bill the customer. Next, you use the cash for a long vacation.
Next, the customer requires a minor modification. You're away, so they have to find a "proper" developer instead. They load it up, find it crashes the browser if left open but untouched for more than 90 seconds (yes, there's a memory leaking loop that runs at page load - but hey, anyone stays on a page more than 90 seconds must have died, right?). The new dev then has to rip everything out and start again. Since the customer only requested a minor mod the new dev will get paid an hour's time - regardless of the fact they've worked all week.
Bitter, me? nah...
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That sounds remarkably like the instructions given by a sculptor to a newbie for carving a statue of an elephant:
Start with a block of marble, then chip away at the parts that don't look like an elephant.
Will Rogers never met me.
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