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Perhaps others are too tired to car, but wheel get into it: is this the proper vehicle for such comments?
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... and I[^] am their king.
Software Zen: delete this;
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What about reincarnation?
I suppose that's the title-line of a reply email on the topic.
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I have worked as Desktop developer during all my career. I see and hear a lot of new technologies. And I study them myself evenings. For example docker, mvc, .net core, angular js, react... but in my company boss doesn't give web and mobile technologies to me. i feel really bored. i wanted to change my job for last week. but being unexperienced with real projects is really big problem for me. so nobody want to pay money what is my salary now. I feel like i am being fossil. and i can't find good jobs in the future.
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Time to retire and become a farmer.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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I tended to try to find excuses to use a technology i wanted to get experience with in the projects I was working on.
You can build a desktop app in angular, I've heard, and what your boss doesn't understand won't hurt him.
And if it's a good idea, then bonus, you can sell him on that. If he starts seeing you using web tech in your apps he may even hand you web projects.
One thing you could argue for in terms of a webified desktop app is its ability to stay updated and current, but also to give a look and feel more familiar to less adept computer users who are used to web style interfaces.
Maybe its your boss who is unable to move forward. Maybe he can with the right motivation, or at least you can unstick yourself.
Just some ideas to throw at you. I wish you luck.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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i had some web projects from the past. he took all of the projects from me and gave them to junior developers and doesn't give me web projects. imo he afraid of i will escape if i have more experience on web or mobile. he want to maintain his old projects with me.
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Oh, i see. Well here's the thing. If he's keeping you around as a legacy coder for the company you have some choices to make.
On the one hand, this is job security of the kind you will not find in the field very often. You hold the keys to the kingdom if you hold the legacy code. Do not take that for granted.
However, you're right, it sounds like you're being stifled. So if it were me, my thinking would be, is it worth it to me to go out in the field and take my chances with a company who may or may not run their software teams well (less than half do - if i'm being generous) or should I stick with the devil I know, and code on the more interesting things at home?
Knowing me, I am the kind of person that would set my own house on fire just for the change of pace it would bring  so i know what I would do.
But I don't know what you would do. It sounds like in some ways, you've got it good where you're at (job security - you're needed) but you're bored (which is never sustainable)
Would you rather find a way to be unbored at work?
If you think you're valuable enough, maybe talk to your boss about it. Be direct. Be like, I really like working here, but I'm getting bored always working on the same projects. I would really like to have some of the newer web tech stuff thrown my way so I can stay happy here.
That last bit is not so subtle code for "i might leave if you don't."
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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honey the monster, codewitch wrote: You can build a desktop app in angular
Yes. I could also try to stick some feathers to my rear poarts and pass myself off as a turkey.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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to be fair, i've only heard angular has a platform for that. i've never tried to use it and can't speak to its efficacy.
I have webified desktop apps in the past, where 80% of the code could have been in a browser. These days apps like that are usually 100% online, but if he's doing legacy work, making them more webbased through updates could be sold as a migration path for the users.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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I've been programming for over 40 years. What I've found is that generally speaking, if you want to learn new tech, you MUST do it at home. You have no time at work to learn new stuff, unless you're lucky enough to be on a team that is using that new tech.
So, learn the new stuff you're interested in, and find a new job.
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that's what i try now. i will make an open source hospital appointment project.
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I would actually do it a little bit differently and try working on existing high profile open source projects which uses the technologies you're interested in.
You can gain experience, see how other more experienced people do and have a profile to share when applying for a job to prove your experience.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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thanks i will search open source projects.
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Well i mean ...web based technologies .. yes you can do some projects on the sidelines ... they have been around for some time.. check out some of the third party controls available esp in bootstrap mvc etc...telerik..dev express...you don't have to feel like a fossil...its just that technology moves fast ..esp with more of the monkeys churning up JavaScript frameworks...its best to stay abreast with the modern technologies .. and on top of that now comes the AI, machine learning and not to forget the data scientist and data analytics.............................................and not to forget the buzz words I would not like to mention here.
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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You're already doing the stuff which works as expected and makes sense. Avoid that Web crap at all costs.
I do mostly back-end work and the closest I would get to the Web is Web Services.
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I second that, although Blazor makes web projects at least palatable, since JavaScript is not required.
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Maybe look for a job where you can use your desktop skills, but they aren't so narrow as your current employer?
In general, smaller shops can't afford to keep people in narrow specializations.
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You've got to take the initiative, Kiddo.
Look for something that you know you can improve, and improve it, then show it to people and have discussions about it, rather than lecture, and always be ready to admit that you were wrong.
People are always receptive to things that will save them time and effort, so:
0. Do.
1. Discuss.
2. Profit.
[edit] Like John said, the "Do" part should be done at least mostly on your own time.[/edit]
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I've been working in the desktop development space for years and I wonder, what exactly do I miss? Anyway, are you talking about technologies or the space? Do you strive to write your desktop stuff with web languages, or do you explicitly want to do web stuff?
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i actually want to learn new technologies and use theme.
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Then it's simple: Start a pet project. You don't need to work in field X to do X.
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Fossils last for eons. New languages, frameworks are like Mayflies. Here today, gone tomorrow.
They don't pay you because it is fun. They are paying you so you will come back and do it again tomorrow.
Newer isn't better, just different.
If you are that bored, develop a product in a new language on your own time and go into business for yourself, leaving your current job. You might not be successful with it, but you certainly will not be bored.
I have been better, but I have been much worse, as well.
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Speaking only for myself: Coding for the web sucks. It's a mess. Cherish every moment you have coding old school: desktop, client/server, etc.
I'm personally hoping I can retire before I have no choice but to do web development full time. I'm not sure I can stretch it for another decade however.
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Yes, you must get experience with those new technologies.. if only for future job security. Since you don't get to do them at work, do your own projects at home. If you make them open source, or at least make the source visible to everyone, you can use them as an example of your work to a prospective employer. Once you have enough years experience with successful web apps that you're considered a senior developer at that stuff, you should be able to switch jobs.
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