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Nathan Minier wrote: I get that, but you can fulfill an interface with a tuple rather than a concrete type.
Color me stupid (it's late in my defense), but I don't understand.
That's what I am doing, as far as I can tell. You changed my tuple to a concrete type.
Nathan Minier wrote: Even if that interface only exists for this method, the moment you wrote it more than once it became worth moving the definition to an interface for single-point refactoring.
One of the side effects of this method coming from math is the math is like 40 years old and has been proved to death so the odds of refactoring this method are almost nil, short of me for some reason changing to entirely different collection interfaces which I also probably won't do since I derive them strictly from the math involved (which one i use i mean, IEnumerable (stream or minimal set), ICollection (unordered set), IList (ordered set), IDictionary (set with grouping)
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codewitch honey crisis wrote: You changed my tuple to a concrete type.
No, an interface is not a concrete type.
codewitch honey crisis wrote: One of the side effects of this method coming from math is the math is like 40 years old and has been proved to death
Absolutely, and if your tuples were nothing but primitives this argument would hold water. The types you're using in the tuple are not primitives, though, and you might well want to modify or replace those at some time.
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Oh okay, I was misunderstanding you. You mean because CfgRule isn't primitive?
in the math it is. that's the kicker. it's always it's own "tuple" but for the purposes of coding it's easier to work with as a class.
still, I don't think that should "poison" anything it touches - IOW it should still be containable by a tuple especially if it's represented that way math-wise.
EDIT: They used to *be* tuples in previous incarnations of the code but I was performing so many operations on them they needed a class so I could customize the value comparisons to compare the right hand side collections. thats' the only reason they aren't tuples. I'm not really interested in extending the rule class much. It's basically a tuple with corrected value semantics to handle the collection it contains
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It's all good, if you like the verbose style that's really up to you. I think this is one of those places where readability might be influenced by background. I don't like it as it lacks abstraction, but then again it's not mine to like.
Modern IDE's make many of the single-refactor points moot, I suppose.
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If my code works right you will never have to see it unless you want to debug a parser generator. 
I provide it public because i provide the "math" for all of my code in this publically. Theoretically you could use it like Mathematica or JFLAP but in practice you don't need the stuff.
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I have to agree with Nathan here. Your code may be hidden from the casual user, but that's not really the point. If you used an interface rather than a concrete type it would lead to more flexible code. As it is, it's rather brittle and not very readable.
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if you saw the rest of the code you might change your mind. If I did that here, I'd have like 40 other places I'd also need to declare a one off type.
no. just no.
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codewitch honey crisis wrote: I'd have like 40 other places I'd also need to declare a one off type.
That's part of the problem with the approach here.
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Then the problem is the math, I guess. It's really heavy on tuples.
Such is the nature of context-free parsing.
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Nathan Minier wrote: Psst...it's much less grating if you make your default assignment properly in the first place.
Except default parameter values have to be compile-time constants, so that won't work. 
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Bah, stop with your correctness!
I'ma have some more coffee.
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Nathan Minier wrote: public IRuleSymbolCollection
Always have an interface with a name starting with IRule. Every time you use it, say out loud "I Rule" - that should boost your self esteem.
There must be other good interface names, e.g. IRockPaperScissors (say "I Rock")
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heh. yeah. except every time i think i rule the code shows me i'm still subordinate to the gods of the debugger.
But yeah i-interfaces in this code would be spurious at best.
that's not true of the runtimes component but i use abstract base classes instead of interfaces there, for reasons
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What's the point of declaring collections for everything when I have generics for collections?
that was primary time saver moving from .NET 1.x to 2.0
I'm not going back.
I'd add, there's no reason for I-interfaces to be declared in this code.
There's no justification for it whatsoever.
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codewitch honey crisis wrote:
if (null == result)
A fan of these "Yoda conditionals" I also used to be, hmmm, yes.
But with C# 7, I now prefer:
if (result is null)
If the null-coalescing assignment operator[^] makes it into C# 8, this line could be further simplified to:
result ??= new Dictionary<string, ICollection<(CfgRule Rule, string Symbol)>>();
Add in target-typed new expressions[^], and you can really annoy the var haters with:
result ??= new();
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I love var but some of what you posted is too much. C# 12 will end up looking like perl at this rate. :/
I'm a fan of yoda conditionals for two reasons:
The first is old habits from back when compilers were more primitive (preventing accidental assignment)
The second is I've found that if you must use a series of ifs on the same target value it is easier to visualize what you're doing when the target is on the left hand side. For example
if("foo"==target)
else if("bar"==target)
else if("baz"==target)
that one obv is simple and can be changed to a switch but once you start adding || and && in there and breaking each subcomparison out on it's own line the difference is clear. yodaized looks better in the source in terms of figuring out what you're doing. The target being on the right makes it less distracting
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I agree. It started as the same old habit to avoid accidental assignment, but I got used to it and still like it.
if (null == target) seems to make much more sense than if (target == null).
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This gets so much prettier in F#, where IDictionary<string,ICollection<(CfgRule Rule,string Symbol)>> simply becomes a type, like "RuleMap"
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amen.
i'm half tempted to use linq but a lot of my queries wouldn't be much easier with linq.
the big thing is the typedefs. Even a more intelligent "using" would be helpful here.
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A woman who taunts herself - you're attempting to draw me into soapbox quality material.
A definition that is, for some, an epiphany:
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haha. don't worry, I'm not your type. you're not gay.
i get mistaken for a woman all the time. IRL and online.
it's part of my aesthetic.
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If you can't even understand simple computer grammar yet, what chances do have men and women to understand each other?!   
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it's clearly hopeless =)
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The simple answer to avoiding these things is to keep your code simple. The code you show there is complex, you are doing a lot on a single line. I know that grade-schools promote this, but it is not really that ideal when it comes to debugging.
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Unfortunately the math behind it is really complex complicated*. I've figured most of it out by now.
*(A pet peeve of mine - complex and complicated are very different)
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