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Jesus, and no effective manual override.
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Jesus f***ing christ, a pilot who cant override BS software? Who the hell would want to fly it!
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My understanding is that there is an override, it is possible to turn off MCAS via switches on the flightdeck.
Apparently the problem is that if you turn off MCAS and use the trim switches on the control column MCAS kicks back in.
So apparently the way to handle an MCAS failure is to wait for MCAS(apparently it cycles on and off on for a certain number of seconds) to cycle off and at that point switch off MCAS.
The apparent problem being that at the point MCAS cycles off the trim is in all likelihood far down and you might have 250+ manual turns of the trim wheel to trim for stable flight again.
There is no way one can pull back on the control column when the trim is down as the aerodynamic force on the elevator is too strong to be countered without using trim.
So I understand that there is a lot to understand and coordinate in order to override MCAS and apparently if you accidentally so much as touch the trim control on the column MCAS apparently kicks in again.
[hopefully I have enough 'apparently' words in the post to avoid being sued for every last penny]
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Sued for what? Every single Max 737 is grounded because it is equipped with an effective self crash system. That should be pretty obvious by now.
Apparently.
Apparently.Apparently.
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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Sounds like a total c**k up to me. HOw the hell did they ever let it fly!
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Idiotic management + outsourcing in that nation for peanuts + idiotic management ^ 2 ("Former Boeing software engineer Mark Rabin told Bloomberg that a manager said at an all-hands meeting that senior engineers were no longer required at the company.") = disaster where people lost lives and they will lose anything down to their backport and beyond.
I wonder if the savings they had outsourcing to that nation compensate the losses they already had (1 billion in a quarter) and the ones they will have for the decades to come. My guess is no, they spent a lot to save very little.
Boeing outsourced 737 Max software development and testing: Bloomberg - Business Insider[^]
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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den2k88 wrote: I wonder if the savings they had outsourcing to that nation compensate the losses they already had (1 billion in a quarter) and the ones they will have for the decades to come. My guess is no, they spent a lot to save very little.
And you are totally right.
The problem is that there are a huge amount of managers who are still thinking the same way, ignoring what the investigations are bringing up to light and living in their bubble where they are the smartest pals around.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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It's the "yes but my situation is different" and "ok but I'm smarter" mentality that elephants them every single time.
I believe Boeing management in its entirety should be removed from charge and removed from any management charge in their lifetime.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
modified 8-Jul-19 10:36am.
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M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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The chocolate would never make it to the machine.
Technician
1. A person that fixes stuff you can't.
2. One who does precision guesswork based on unreliable data provided by those of questionable knowledge.
JaxCoder.com
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Wake me up when they can print bacon.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Cultured meat - Wikipedia
Your wake-up call? 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I don't want my bacon smoked, not cultured!
Sitting having a discussion with a rasher of bacon (who, obviously, smokes using a long cigarette holder, whilst he sips his brandy) about, oh, I don't know, the Shakespeare/Francis Bacon nonsense, would make for an absolutely cr@ppy breakfast experience!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Inappropriate would be using it to print a dic....tionary as paper is a much better medium.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Appropriate use of technology would involve better chocolate than Cadbury's, but it's definitely a step in the right direction!
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Quote: Nevertheless, assuming that the universe is finite and therefore the resources of potential simulators are finite, then a volume containing a simulation will be finite and a lattice spacing must be non-zero, and therefore in principle there always remains the possibility for the simulated to discover the simulators.
from: "Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation" pdf download of 90% incomprehensible (to me) mathematics and physics available: [^]
Would a scientifically valid proof that our reality is a simulation make a difference ?
If, as the paper comments, the current simulation we experience as "reality" could be a creation of our future selves using some future open-source method, then, extrapolating from the current humongous messes found in today's open-sauce projects, might we postulate the future mess of the simulationsource code would render our proving we are in a simulation impossible.
Or, we could be in the equivalent of tv-dramas like Dynasty, The Sopranos ?
«Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot
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BillWoodruff wrote: Or, we could be in the equivalent of tv-dramas like Dynasty, The Sopranos ?
If so, the bit with me in is going to be pretty dull - but probably mean it's broadcast after the watershed. 
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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If we live in a simulation and discover it we left with only a few options (IMHO):
1. Take soma from "Brave New World"...
2. Go deep into depression and became a dying simulation
3. Try to go on and figure out how we can take over the control of the simulation (hoping that it will be in time)...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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4. learn to enjoy the exquisite loneliness of being gods.
«Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot
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Of course we're a simulation.
This is an actual discussion of future developers:
Dev 1: Well, the baseline seems fine, let's go with this.
America.President.Color = Colors.White;
git commit
git push Dev 2: Lol, look at them doing wars about skin color and such, now let's mess 'em up real good!
America.President.Color = Colors.Black; Dev 1: Yo fam, that's wicked lol me like XD
git commit
git push Dev 1: Hey man, I've got this awesome idea! This will certainly make them go bonkers!
America.President.Gender = Genders.Female; Dev 2: Lmao, and while we're playing with genders anyway, what about this?
public enum Genders
{
Male,
Female,
Shemale,
ApacheHelicopter,
Dev 1: Hahaha! Awesome! So maybe we shouldn't mess with the president's gender just yet... Let me revert that real quick...
git checkout AmericanPresident.cs Dev 2: So, got any better idea's?
Dev 1: Well, I liked your black color, so let's just explore some more colors.
America.President.Color = Colors.Orange; Dev 2: Rofl, and maybe we can do something like make him a pop singer in 2020!
Dev 1: Haha, let's think about that some more. So we good?
Dev 2: Yeah man, let's get this sh*t deployed XD
git commit
git push Dev 1: We should totally share our findings with the Europe dev team!
Dev 2: By the way, heard anything from the sys admins? I heard our servers are now running at 100% CPU most of the time, some servers already overheated...
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Sander Rossel wrote: ApacheHelicopter,
OK, I LOLed...
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Sander Rossel wrote: Dev 2: Rofl, and maybe we can do something like make him a pop singer in 2020!
Reminds me of our narcissist in chief dancing. If your programmers had anything to do with that, they should lose their jobs!  
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