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Mark_Wallace wrote: If you're in charge of a business-critical database or two, don't even think of moving them to the cloud
Actually, I would.
The cloud is so massive it can take security measures you'd never have on-premises.
Of course I wouldn't be hosting them in America or China, but north or west Europe is fine.
The only reason to host on-prem is speed, but that's not an issue if your applications are in the cloud too.
On my last job we developed a cloud-only application, all data, critical and sensitive or not, was stored in the cloud.
I still come across companies who don't want to go to the cloud, but it's always policy made by people who haven't the slightest clue about technology, like legal, compliance and the director.
And in those cases it always frustrated IT.
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What will drive the would back to on-site or data centre isn't a techie thing either.
It will be an accountant's decision - cloud COSTS and it costs more and more as time goes by.
It's all being done on a Ryanair kind of model - you can have a ticket for next to nothing but you'll pay a fortune for extras like baggage and oxygen.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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Having on-premises servers costs money too.
Having frustrated programmers costs money too.
One team lead I talked to told me they were modernizing their applications, rewriting old VB desktop apps to modern web apps, even using containers, but not in the cloud.
That right there costs a lot and adding cloud to it wouldn't increase costs significantly.
They even bought a whole new server park to host all these applications, so money really isn't the issue.
I am able to help customers save money by going to the cloud.
That all depends on how much of it you use though.
So these decisions really aren't cost based.
And even if it was, it would be insane to have an accountant decide over the IT landscape.
You'd get stuff like "We're not using SQL Server because Mongo DB is cheaper (I read that on a forum)".
Although that is what's happening now, we're not moving to the cloud because management "feels" it's not secure or whatever reason they have.
Maybe if all your developers and IT managers are calling cloud you should move to the cloud 
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Equally, all your sales people might want to drive a Bugatti and would argue that a happy sales person is a good sales person and that they'd get out to customers more quickly. The FD would probably be more inclined towards a V.W., though. 
Yes, there are things where cloud is an obvious advantage, and could be argued as a a necessity but for most in-house systems the advantages become a lot less defined and I think it's often a case of people doing it because cloud is the "new thing" not for any solid practical reasons.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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The Bugatti/V.W. is something different, a Bugatti doesn't solve a problem that other brands have, except that it has more status and luxury.
The cloud solves actual problems and costs may even be one of them.
In one case the solid practical reason was that the on-premises servers were running out of available space.
They had everything on-premises, including VM workstations that got less and less memory because the servers couldn't keep up.
They were talking about giving everyone a laptop to solve that problem, then bought a new mega server instead.
Everyone, including the sys admins, were advocating the cloud for certain solutions.
Their issue also wasn't the money, it was security, because somehow the cloud is less secure (according to management and compliance).
Another still had a "developer develops, passes code over to system admin who deploys to production" kind of setup, and the practical reason there was that the system admins couldn't keep up with development.
That could be solved by going more DevOps and practicing CI/CD and isn't necessarily solved by the cloud, although it does make it somewhat easier.
However, they had a lot of servers doing nothing most of the time and peaking once or twice per week, which is another scenario the cloud handles a lot better.
And they could get rid of their data centers, which costs lots, including storage of the physical servers.
Well, they probably have to write them off first, which could take a while because they just bought a new one...
I don't think teams, on average, want to get with "the new thing".
Lots of people don't like change, especially if that means learning new things which makes their jobs harder.
My experience is that one person wants the latest greatest and alerts the rest of the team.
By the time the entire team or even multiple teams want this technology as well it's no longer latest greatest and they're convinced it solves a problem they're having.
So, if the people you pay for their technical knowledge tell you to go in a certain technical direction then why would you overrule them because of an uninformed "gut feeling"?
That's just bad management...
In the end it may even be a matter of keeping up because you can't get new hires otherwise.
Last month, I turned down two jobs because they didn't do cloud (which would be a total waste of my two new Azure certificates).
No (good) developer wants to work for a company that doesn't use new technologies once in a while.
I'm turning into somewhat of a cloud advocate though 
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Mark_Wallace wrote: No company with an ounce of sense stores its critical databases on aws servers.
You would be surprised 
So far not critical databases, but they (the IT of the big company I work for) are thinking to move the complete email traffic and servers to Office 365 Cloud 
And then... we are not allowed to navigate GitHub because is not secure  
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Nelek wrote: You would be surprised
Ah, but I very carefully worded my statement to exclude companies that don't have an ounce of sense.
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Actually, most do move their databases to the cloud. Why, you ask? Because you have to pay network ingress and egress fees for accessing an external resource. Cheaper and more cost-effective to have the DB in the cloud. And also more resilient and reliable, to boot.
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Soon people will start using those "desk top" computers.
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Researchers used deep reinforcement learning to teach these strange robots how to move Great news for those branches yearning to walk about
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OK, so my buying a house in a forest was maybe not the best idea I ever had.
I, for one, welcome our carbon-based mechanical masters.
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Baba Yaga lives!
TTFN - Kent
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Kent Sharkey wrote: Baba Yaga lives!
Not anymore if John Wick comes by
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Why have I suddenly started humming "Light My Fire[^]?
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“I can move! I can talk! I can walk!”
"A boy who won't be good might just as well be made of wood"
Give me coffee to change the things I can and wine to accept the things I cannot!
JaxCoder.com
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Microsoft says the update will offer “performance improvements, enterprise features, and quality enhancements” for Windows 10, and that it’s currently targeting a September release. Especially for those who have turned off Windows Update
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Kent Sharkey wrote: and that it’s currently targeting a September release.
mmm... currently? I am the only one thinking "what can go wrong"?
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Nelek wrote: "what can go wrong"?
M.D.V.
I just installed 1903 on my main machine at home and after 1+hours of the percentage installing showing 27% the update completed.
I was excited until I discovered that my ethernet adapter was no longer connecting to the interwebs.
I updated the driver and tried a bunch of things then I decided to just switch the modem on and off again which fixed the connection issues.
Thanks Microsoft  !
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Computers filled with bloat, so don't work as well as they used to, feel very small.
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Building desktop applications with C# and WPF is still a rich and active area of development, but if you're looking to the future of either a current project or a new endeavor, you need to evaluate what web development tools, languages, and frameworks are the right investment. Step 0: run away, screaming
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Kent Sharkey wrote: Step 0: run away, screaming
Step 1: For god's sake, don't stop running!
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Don't forget to use it in the right dose[^]
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According to WCJB, city manager “Joe Helfenberg confirmed that the director of information technology, Brian Hawkins, was fired” as a result of the attack. The buck stops there
"The city deemed the employee in question to have left city networks vulnerable to attack, but he was not the individual who downloaded the malicious attachment, the Times added."
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So it was obviously his boss who downloaded the file.
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That makes more sense then.
TTFN - Kent
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