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If it's "only" a convention why follow it?
Is an underscore unacceptable?
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Please calm down and slowly back away from the keyboard.
There problem solved.
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I first saw the damn things on Ubuntu desktop, now they seem to be in Edge (which is the default PDF viewer on my system, going to change that)
We hates pop out scrollbars! They require extra precision to just get the damn thing to pop out, then extra precision not to overshoot and minimize the damn scrollbar when scrolling.
What absolute moron thought that saving .01% of screen real estate would be worth the coordination hassle of this totally unusable feature?
Oh wait. It was an Ubuntu/Linux developer to start with, I'm sure. That explains a lot, as these people seem to have it as their mission to make things obtuse, complicated, and over-designed while at the same time totally under-designing usability.
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Could not agree more! I cuss them every day.  It does not help that my right hand has a small problem with 'essential tremors' (why any doctor thought they should be 'essential' is beyond me). 
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, navigate a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects! - Lazarus Long
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stoneyowl2 wrote: (why any doctor thought they should be 'essential' is beyond me).
so he can tell if you've fallen asleep?
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Well, I rarely fall asleep near my doctor, and he could always poke me if he really wanted to know if I was asleep.
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stoneyowl2 wrote: Well, I rarely fall asleep near my doctor, and he could always poke me if he really wanted to know if I was asleep.
But seeing your reaction to pop out scroll bars is much more entertaining.
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I think they are a terrible idea because - when a window opens I don't know if I am seeing the whole contents of the window unless I move the cursor to display the scrollbars.
Why would you want to hide this important information from a user or only make it available when they move the cursor to the right of the window?
Plus how is this sort of feature helpful to older users who may have more difficulty with fine muscle coordination than younger users?
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― Christopher Hitchens
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Doesn't rolling the wheel 1 notch forwards then 1 notch backwards achieve the same result with a whole lot less effort?
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You are all not getting the point, it's all about "gamification", to be more precise: turning Windows into a Hidden Object game 
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Me too.
Everything has been done by the time Windows 7 came out.
Everything since has been because "well, we have to do something"
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Unfortunately, MS doesn't seem to be able to "roll back" mistakes, even when it's clear that everybody hates them: The Ribbon, Fisher-Price start menus, VB ...
So I suspect they will be here for a while*.
* And be replaced with something that takes 1/3 of your screen and pulses multiple colours to tell you how far you have scrolled, probably.
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Their version of rolling back mistakes is saying "oops", and supending pushing the offending update.
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#realJSOP wrote: Their version of rolling back mistakes is saying "oops", and supending pushing the offending update
Until they roll out the next update, which will probably be even worse 
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
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I love this rant, because I hate those stupid pop out scroll bars too.
There is no reason for them.
I have a Mac Mini I remote to and I saw them on MacOS first, is that where they originated? It would make sense that Maconians thought they were a good idea, since Jobs loved 1-button mouses-meeses to pieces.
I believe in simplifying things, but scroll bars that hide themselves DOES NOT SIMPLIFY anything.
Oops, I'm shouting. 
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raddevus wrote: I love this rant
I try to be a crowd pleaser with my rants.
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Actually, I think apple did this first, in their browser.
They were added to microsoft word ages ago, and are completely universally reviled -- as in, not one person who is not employed by ms wanted them or likes them. They are 100% hated.
What is worse is that this "wonderful new feature" broke the split-view button, at the top of the srroll bar (it now takes two clicks to split the view -- in half, so you then have to grab the split bar and move it), and destroyed the excellent navigation options at the bottom of the scroll bar.
In earlier versions of winio, there was an option to disable the bars' disappearing act (without restoring any lost functionality), but they removed that option -- and even the registry hack doesn't block it, any more.
It's unusual to see a developer complain abut such things, though, because ms devs are only ***ing up the bread-and-butter tools of non-devs.
It's a "When they came for excel, we did nothing" thing.
But they'll be coming after VS, soon enough. Just wait and see how badly they can **** up the bread-and-butter development tool.
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Which gets me wondering, what exactly is the point of starring emails, as now the noise level of starred emails is as high as the un-starred ones.
I need a better system. Oh wait. It's called a bit bucket. Which now makes me wonder why BitBucket named itself after a digital trashcan?
I better stop wondering.
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gmail?
What's that, then?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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<RANT>
Pretty much every MVC-related article/blog entry/instruction video takes you through the process of creating a new MVC app, and usually an empty one. This is f*ckin pointless, because empty MVC apps are absurdly useless. Furthermore, MOST devs that are trying to find out how to do something ALREADY HAVE AN APP THEY'RE WORKING ON.
Advice: If you're going to create an article or blog entry regarding MVC, skip the introductory crap and get right to the subject of your blog entry/article. It'll save everybody time.
Lastly, it's becoming harder and harder to find a dev-centric video that isn't narrated by someone in the near-east. I admit it - I have an unapologetically lazy American ear. I don't want to dedicate brain power trying to understand broken English ON TOP OF trying to find out how to do something.
I now return you to your regularly scheduled chaos.
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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They who can't do, teach.
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And those who can't teach, administrate.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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And those that can't administrate, stand by your cubicle and keep you from productive work....constantly.
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phht, marketing keeps you from productive work no matter where they are
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Even worse than the Far Easterners who speak English in a weird accent are some of my colleagues in Israel, who have delusions of adequacy in the language. The misspellings, mispronunciations, and wrong words (taken from Google translate or the like) are truly cringeworthy.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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