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It's a slog man.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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also it's easy to make a recursive descent parser handle errors. my regexlib does that with regex expressions. matches parens and all that.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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To give you an idea of where i draw the line in terms of when I'll bring in the big guns - aka a parser generator:
When a grammar is more complex than say, JSON or regex.
Each of which I can write a recursive descent parser for in under an hour without rushing.
Your dice grammar is less complex than either by a significant margin, which is why i've wondered why you're using a generator for this.
It's a bit heavy handed.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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well.. I was wondering how to parse all those dice expression, in any order, with space and ambiguous syntax.
parser generator seemed like the easiest solution.
from start, to reading about the syntax, to test, to finish took me one hour.
One hour well spent if you ask me! 
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But you haven't parsed it into the tree, and the way the tree is looking that's going to be a bear.
Your tree doesn't quite look like what you need it too. Esp when I load into my grammar the diceExprs should usually be diceSets but when i try to build the grammar that way i get an LL(1) conflict.
I don't know what the trees look like in TinyPG.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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I've been reading an excellent book (ok, imo), Possible Minds.
The book offers 25 thoughtful perspectives concerning AI and the impacts it could have on humanity.
There are two camps:
1) AI is a potential existential threat.
2) AI is nothing to worry about; we know what we're doing and we can control it.
It seems like we are in a moment similar to the one just after the Manhattan Project produced the first nuclear bombs - humans were in possession of and using a power we really didn't fully understand.
We create something that kind of feels like 1), but then we collectively act like it's 2).
From your perspective as a software developer, what camp do you fall in? If neither, define your own.
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It's not the AI that worries me, it's the people creating the AI and influencing them in their decision making. Remember GIGO!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Forogar wrote: It's not the AI that worries me, it's the people creating the AI and influencing them in their decision making. Remember GIGO QA!
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Forogar wrote: Remember GIGO!
Wasn't that a Madonna movie?
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Can you imagine if Clippy had become self-aware?
'Nuff said.
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Quote: Can you imagine if Clippy had become self-aware?
"It looks like you are attempting to destroy all life on Earth. Let me do that for you."
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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In my student days, I bought a book for one single reason - its title: "Machines who think".
Considering how long ago that is, I am not holding my breath while waiting for the self-aware machines.
If you really want to loose your sleep over such issues: Pick up some of the SciFi novels by James P. Hogan, such as "The two faces of tomorrow" or "Realtime interrupt". "Two faces" is from my student days as well ("Realtime" is more recent), but Hogan had the top AI experts at C-M and MIT review his manuscripts: Even today they hold water, seen from a professional perspective. Obviously, we have extended our understanding since the books were written, but the knowledge on which the books are built is essentially still "correct". Both books are higly recommended.
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MikeTheFid wrote: It seems like we are in a moment similar to the one just after the Manhattan Project produced the first nuclear bombs
And that's the difference. We had nuclear bombs.
AI? Give me a break. Show me something that actually can be described as artificial intelligence --
something that can perceive the world, contemplate an action, and have the means to interact with the physical world to implement that action. And implement it in a way poses a threat to anything (but you won't get past the first condition.)
What, are all those self-driving cars going to suddenly join Lyft and go on strike?
Even the tragic Boeing crashes are not an AI running amok but a poorly programmed expert system. As in, some intelligence on the plane didn't suddenly say, "hey, let's go kill some people."
There is no AI. There is no "Intelligence" - sure, we have extremely limited systems that can learn and adapt, that require huge training sets that result in a complex weighted network. You call that thinking? You call that intelligence? A worm is smarter.
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Marc Clifton wrote: There is no AI.
Exactly. The majority of people on earth do not understand this.
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If I'm reading this I'm asking me: Is there intelligence at all? 
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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Slacker007 wrote: The majority of people on earth do not understand this.
Sadly, the majority of people on earth lack the intelligence to understand this. How ironic.
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The thing a lot of people forget is that we are machines ourselves. We're (very complex) multi-celled organisms, that at some point got our "singularity" and became self-aware.
At some point, that will happen to the very advanced AI, whether we like/believe it or not. And I have a feeling it's not going to be pretty.
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Computers only do EXACTLY what they are told to do. So, no, there is no threat unless a programmer programs it to make poor choices.
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But that's not true for neural networks. They aren't programmed, they are trained, and they aren't nearly as deterministic as coded programs. They are working on fuzzy logic the same as we do, and they can make mistakes like we do.
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Dean Roddey wrote: , they are trained
It still comes down to what the programmer has made possible. A computer can never think or reason like a human. It's still if else statements at its simplest.
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again, most people in the world do not understand the point you just made.
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But it's not. You should bone up on DNNs a bit more. There is zero problem domain knowledge coded into a DNN. It's just a set of level driven nodes just as our brain's neurons are. There can be problem domain aware code around a DNN do other parts of the job, but the DNN is NOT just doing something it was programmed to do.
It doesn't matter if you consider it intelligent or not. The fact is it will take in lots of information and which generate a choice not based on being told what choices to make and not based on any inputs it has ever seen before. And, like a human, it can make mistakes similar to how we make them, not off/on right/wrong mistakes but fuzzy mistakes.
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Dean Roddey wrote: You should bone up on DNNs a bit more
I actually intend to. At the end of the days, it's just 0's and 1's based on what some programmer made possible.
Dean Roddey wrote: but the DNN is NOT just doing something it was programmed to do.
I get that. But it CAN'T do anything that the code won't allow.
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The codes doesn't ALLOW anything. That's sort of the point of DNNs. They aren't programs in the sense that most programs are. They are more like meta-programs. The program is just the pipes through which the data flows. The decisions are not made by those pipes, it's made by how the data flowing through those pipes interact with each other, which is why it can deal with information it's never seen before.
That's a fundamental difference.
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Dean Roddey wrote: why it can deal with information it's never seen before
Because some programmer wrote code to do that. It's just code. It can't think. It's not alive.
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