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Dean Roddey wrote: It's got nothing to do with the right thing.
A truer statement has never been made - actions by the government have NEVER been about "doing the right thing".
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Of course it's easy to take that position, though it's wrong. Governments are made up of people, and people sometimes do the right thing and sometimes do the wrong thing. Sometimes they do those by intent and sometimes by accident.
But, for the most part, governments are the way they are because we make them that way. People complain all the time about the government, about schools, etc... but they then do exactly what makes those things the way they are.
Explorans limites defectum
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Dean Roddey wrote: people sometimes do the right thing
Yeah, but once they get into government, they are corrupted (or are compelled to ignore their principles) by those already in office.
Voting doesn't matter, because it doesn't matter who is elected.
We should probably stop here because this is stepping solidly into soapbox material...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Ever wondered why it doesn't matter so much who is elected? What part of that equation doesn't change depending on who is elected? The people of course. Think about it.
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Dean Roddey wrote: Governments are made up of people, and people sometimes do the right thing
mostly accidentally (at least governments)
M.D.V. 
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Which is because noone can ever agree on what the "right thing" is.
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Well, I didn't expect the Spanish inqui...
Hold on. Someone's just kicked in my front door. I'd best go and see who it is.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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... nope, just doesn't have the same ring to it.
Anyhow, I'm looking for opinions about places to visit in both Sweden and Denmark. I'll be over there for a couple of weeks come the end of June and beginning of July. Not necessary tourist things (although not barring those necessarily), more of things that people who live there feel are important or interesting.
Planning to spend some time in Smaland, Ostergotland, and Gotland because half of my family originated there (four of my Great-grandparents were Swedish). Denmark on the other hand is purely a whim. One of my friends stated that while most of Scandinavia is very similar, I would be doing myself a disservice by not visiting Denmark while I had the opportunity.
Might put in some applications and see if I can swing some interviews too... because why not?
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As for Denmark, Copenhagen is a very nice city with LOTS of stuff to see and do.
I might be biased (born in Copenhagen, living in Stockholm), but in my opinion, Copenhagen is much more interesting than Stockholm and has a lot more to offer, despite being smaller.
Jörgen will probably disagree, and he owns guns, so I can't say anymore right now... 
Gotland (or more specifically Visby) is definitely worth a visit, though! 
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Johnny J. wrote: Jörgen will probably disagree, and he owns guns, so I can't say anymore right now...
I thought ownership was very limited in both countries.
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It is, but Jörgen has contacts...
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
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Only when compared to the US.
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Nope, I'm not disagreeing.
Stockholm is also full of Stockholm natives.
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Being RickZeeland, I like Zealand in Denmark, especially the white cliffs of the island Møn.
I also found the city of Århus very pleasant, especially the ARoS museum is worth a visit: Your rainbow panorama[^]
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I second the white cliffs (or Møns klint[^] as they are called in Danish)
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
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modified 16-Apr-19 9:50am.
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RickZeeland wrote: ARoS museum is worth a visit: Your rainbow panorama[^]
That looks amazing! Definitely need to visit.
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Ahhh, nations of great seamen. How about visiting a museum with a ship that did not get out of sight of its dock[^]?
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Ah, well, 1300 meters is better than nothing, I guess... 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
Mark Twain
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Was it not the old problem between the customer and the project team? I think it was the king who knew better than his shipbuilders how many guns you can put onto that ship or how close to the waterline the gunports can be.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Something like that, yes... 
It certainly wasn't the programmers eh, SHIPBUILDERS fault! 
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
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Naturewise I'd say Norway is totally outstanding. While Denmark is mostly flat.
But it has Europes largest sand dune, and totally amazing beaches, if you don't mind freezing your butt off.
Sweden and Norway are both large countries so you need to plan your trip fairly well.
But to properly try to answer your question you need to tell us what your main interests are with the trip.
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Fair enough and honestly my interests are a little vague but a key goal is being far enough away that work can't contact me, even in an emergency. 
Besides the three regions mentioned (still going through their respective visitor sites), I do want to visit the Museum of Failure. I enjoy any sort of quirky or out of the ordinary museum, districts, or shop. Honestly, anything that would make you stop, look at it and think to yourself "Hmm, what train of thought helped someone arrive at this?" even if it was simply the crazy train.
For example, I was in Paris a few years back and really enjoyed going this one part of the city where a bunch of artists has set up and were selling their pieces. Sort of like an open air farmer's market for art. When I go to art museums, I find myself drawn to the contemporary and modern art sections.
One of the biggest reasons I travel is to get an idea of how people from a completely different region and background view our world. I feel it helps to expand and mature my own worldview as well as serving to remind myself that we're all on this big ball whipping through space together.
Along side that I'd like to take in the culture, a taste of "what it means to be Swedish (or Danish)" if you would. As I mentioned, been researching and submitting applications to companies in Malmö, Stockholm, and Copenhagen (Dev/BA/PM/all around Problem Solver TM). So while trying to plan, I'm also trying to keep things flexible should the opportunity for interviews present itself.
I'm fortunate enough that I don't have anything preventing me from moving to another country to live and work. Been pondering it for a couple years and decided now is the time to move forward and pull the trigger. That said, this is a bit of a dry run for the region. If I can't see myself living there then it doesn't matter how great any theoretical job might be.
Unfortunately think Norway is off the list this go-around due to time constraints. Which sounds like a shame with how you describe it and from what I've seen. I'm an Eagle Scout and have spent months if not years of my life backpacking. Fortunately, my most recent goal is to visit at least one place I've never been to before each year... so maybe next year. 
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Oh the irony. The Museum of Failure has closed.
I would recommend the toilet museum in my hometown if it wasn't for the fact that there is basically nothing else to do there.
Anyway, I agree with Johnny. If you want to visit just one major city, Copenhagen is the better choice.
I'm not going to recommend you to go to Malmö, it's mostly an industrial town.
But just next to it is Lund which is a fairly small medieval student town. It has a great atmosphere.
Visby is a must on your list. Try to visit during the medieval week in the beginning of August. But beware of the lack of hotel rooms.
Unless you don't mind staying in a tent. There are a whole load of people in medival clothes staying in the fields next to the town wall during that week.
More info on the official homepage. Medieval Week on Gotland[^]
One thing you need to keep in mind is that Sweden is a lot like Oregon.
It's full of hipsters and forest. And if you are searching for your roots you'll find enough of both. 
But if you want the essence (of the positive picture) of Sweden you really should visit Mariefred as well.
OT, what type of job are you looking for? (Yes we're hiring)
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: Oh the irony. The Museum of Failure has closed.
Blast, it showed as "Closed" and what time it opens along with normal hours on Google just a few days ago! Now it reads "Permanently Closed". Oh well, at least I've still got the Mustard Museum.
Toilets are pretty fascinating from an engineering standpoint. What we all think of as fairly simple and straight forward design required a lot of thought to solve some very serious problems. Moving forward they are just getting more and more complicated.
Appreciate the advice on Malmö. It was on my list due to proximity to Copenhagen and some of the places I'd applied. Lived in a few industrial towns and they are pretty much all the same with a varying degree of depressing directly related to how much industry remains. Lund might be fun and still close to Denmark!
Medieval week looks kind of like a Renaissance Faire but another year perhaps. I'll be over there from June 22nd - July 6th, need to check the exact dates again.
Forests? Great! The hipsters? I can deal with them so long as I'm allowed to make snarky comments. I live in city much like Portland and we've got our fair share of them, along with the college students, protesters, vegans, Freegans, trust fund children, and millennials.
Jörgen Andersson wrote: OT, what type of job are you looking for? (Yes we're hiring)
Ideally? A BA or Tech PM role but won't shy away from getting my hands dirty with development either. I'll follow up in an email.
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RJOberg wrote: Fair enough and honestly my interests are a little vague but a key goal is being far enough away that work can't contact me, even in an emergency.
Be aware that the Scandinavian countries (Denmark, Norway, Sweden) essentially has very good cellphone coverage. If you are carrying your own phone (and it handles the 900 MHz GSM band), there is almost no way to escape
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