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I understand the reason for .NET Core and accept the decision based on this. The .NET Framework becomes harder and harder to be innovative in, because there is no real allowance for breaking changes. Sure they are made anyway, but not in a completely controlled way. With .NET core, I can target a long term support version (2.1 for example), and move my app to the new version when I am ready for it, not when Microsoft randomly release a new major version with breaking changes.
I just hate they moved all the legacy stuff like ArrayList and Windows specific stuff into .NET Core. This was a good time to clean up a bit.
Docker containers are not quite where they need to be yet (if it isn't doing "shut op and run my code" more work is needed).
The old Azure roles did not catch on (Microsoft never fixed the startup time which should be seconds, not minutes, and a lot of operations guys simply do not understand it - not surprising, they do not understand no one needs them anymore). So now we are trying with containers, and it is slowly catching on. Once they get sorted out how you ensure you have every image patched it should be ready for use. Maybe Docker will be replaced with something else before they get there... who knows.
Not sure what to use Docker for? If you are in the business of running servers - nothing. This is not for you. If you need to run services (as opposed to servers), then Docker is moving towards something that could be very useful in the future.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Why do they exist, and why should we care?
Given that I can now write C# and control GPIO and SPI interfaces on an SBC running *nix (Debian in my case), yeah, .NET Core rocks. The ASP.NET Core is pretty slick as others have commented. And hopefully soon we'll be able to write GUI apps entirely in C# as well. Tk and flavors rather suck.
One thing though that really annoys me. With ASP.NET / IIS, your DLL's are shadow copied so you can update the DLL on a live website. ASP.NET (or whatever is behind the scenes) waits until all transactions have been completed and then updates the DLL automatigically. An ASP.NET Core running under IIS does not work that way. I have to stop the application pool, update the DLL, then restart the application pool. PITA, and makes automated deployment impossible (at least, I haven't figured out how to remotely stop/start an application pool.)
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Marc Clifton wrote: And hopefully soon we'll be able to write GUI apps entirely in C# as well.
3.n and later (not yet stable)
Marc Clifton wrote: I have to stop the application pool, update the DLL, then restart the application pool. PITA, and makes automated deployment impossible (at least, I haven't figured out how to remotely stop/start an application pool.)
And that's one of the reasons we can't move to .net core on our (web) apps. Beyond that, I don't think our sys admins/IIS guys have the skills to deal with it.
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Marc Clifton wrote: I have to stop the application pool, update the DLL, then restart the application pool
It's not really the way things are done anymore, so you should not expect much focus on improving this area. Updating running servers one by one is not something that scales well.
While Azure originally introduced web roles that dealt easily with this challenge (though a bit slowly) the modern landscape is a lot more messy. Docker brought standards and run everything everywhere to the table, but other complexities are introduced instead. Aren't they always?
You can for example look at Azure Service Fabric. It can do a lot more than what you need (bringing in it's own Actor model, service infrastructure and what not), but it should also be able to "shut up and run my web service" ignoring all the other complexity. Main challenge: Find the simple parts among all the mess.
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year of the pig is here, time to cook up some good luck.
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I'll wait for the year of the ox... 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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0) Created new MVC5 project.
1) Updated all packages (before doing anything else).
2) Bootstrap went from v3 to v4.
3) MVC5 template (more specifically the navbar) did not get updated to reflect use of bootstrap v4.
4) Arrrgggg.
I figured out how to fix it, but now I'm wondering if there's a new MVC5 template available that actually uses Bootstrap v4. I can't look at work because - well - DoD network...
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Even if there was, would you be allowed to use it, or would that have to go through the approvals process as well?
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Yeah, we have a local nuget repository that we can update, but we have to download the packages, put them on a dvd, sneaker-net the dvd to our dev box, and add the new packages to the tfs server... because - well - DoD network.
Right now, we're fighting with connectivity issues that are so bad, none of our sql jobs are succeeding, and our data is approaching a week out of date. Meanwhile, they keep patching our servers to the point that we can't do anything, and even TFS is out of our reach right now (but someone somwhere is "working on it").
It's a major clusterf*ck, and getting worse by the day.
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They won't be happy until the entire network is so secure no one can access anything.
Been there, lived that.
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MarkTJohnson wrote: Been there, lived that.
Note: Past tense?  
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If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
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I no longer work for a company that does Dod contracts. I miss part of that gig, working for CGI Federal, but glad I'm no longer being forced to use Delphi 6. It was written into the contract as the tool to build the application and there was no allowance for upgrading.
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Now you know that MVC stands for: Monstrous Vapour Crumbum 
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The whole idea of using NuGet to distribute Bootstrap, jQuery, etc. is flawed. Personally, I don't think the templates should ship with any of that junk. Let the devs add what they want to use, either by downloading the files manually, linking to a CDN, or using Library Manager[^].
Don't worry, it gets worse. Having removed the NuGet packages, if you add a new area and try to add a view to that area, VS2017 often decides to reinstall the "missing" NuGet packages for you. 
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- Homer
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Is Microsoft a miniature marshmallow?
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Before everyone says so: you Excel at these Griff!
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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You've got a PowerPoint there! 
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Did you really hafta Access that joke?
The best way to improve Windows is run it on a Mac.
The best way to bring a Mac to its knees is to run Windows on it.
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Tell me, DOS the answer supply any .NET positive result?
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Depends if you have an optimistic OUTLOOK.
The best way to improve Windows is run it on a Mac.
The best way to bring a Mac to its knees is to run Windows on it.
~ my brother Jeff
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That's an odd conception.
(Or should that be confection?)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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perhaps for now though I'm sure there will be an update soon
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Well, they're bloated enough.
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