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PeejayAdams wrote: Or as the brother puts it: "I can't imagine the complete and utter tedium of working at a school where there aren't serious problems to be solved."
LOL, no such thing.
Just because kids go to a better school doesn't mean they always do well
... translates to guess who the parents blame when the kid fails (or sometimes, Asian-like cultures, doesn't score A's)
and for more then the last few years many 'entitled parents' have taken to threatening teachers - physically or/and [usually] through pressuring the school management (principals and BOD both).
less well off schools the kids are the biggest problem (often as mentioned parents MIA), but that often can be managed (albeit good or bad) and teachers can get help.
In "well-off" schools the parents are the biggest problem, and nobody trains (and rarely support) teachers to handle that.
Hell, these days for example almost all bus drivers are protected from abuse, teachers rarely are.
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Very true. Another sibling quit teaching in an altogether posher school for that precise reason.
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I've no argument against anything you've said, but the main point, from the perspective of personal appraisal, is the last sentence of your first paragraph:
PeejayAdams wrote: just a good site better than they might be without her in[put
This isn't about appraising the school, but of the personal appraisals of each teacher.
You can rest assured that there are teachers about whom you would not say that. Should those teachers be treated the same as your sister, be given the respect and trust that your sister is given, and be put forward for promotion the same, just because the school as a whole is a bad place to work, or gets bad results?
That's what personal appraisals are for.
(And it's "sight", not "site", so forget your Christmas bonus)
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Oops! Yes, I've failed my year-six grammar test. The sister would be giving me her best "teacher stare" for that one. 
Absolutely, assessments should be made, but not on the basis of things like exam results where there are so many external factors at work.
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Now that my youngest is finishing her junior year in high school, I can look back through 35 years of teaching my children. For a very long time, we home schooled. The last two went off to private school for an assortment of reasons. Watching how much my children varied in their learning styles, I have come to a number of conclusions:
- Do no harm. Children start wanting to learn. Adults elephant it up.
- Stay with what works, tweak it on the edges - the Toyota model.
- If you want education to improve - IT'S A MANAGEMENT PROBLEM.
The current state of government education in the US is abhorrent. It's an incestuous system where more and more money is poured into it, and less and less comes out. And it's a management problem. I only cite the common-core debacle now being inflicted on students. In an argument with a teacher, I was dismissed as not understanding. The reason no results are seen is because it takes 12 years. So now we have to wait for 12 years, and if it doesn't work, we have another generation of math challenged individuals. Even so, the top 25% will learn in spite of the best efforts to prevent it. You now have standardized tests being skewed for the common core curriculum. Tainted data.
About standardized tests - years ago, the entire point of these tests was not to judge the performance of the teacher or student (that should have happened long before). The point was to see if a student or class had a statistically significant gap in knowledge. All of our children learned to read using phonics. Inherently, we needed to work on spelling, but as we tested them, we also saw interesting results. One child could not capitalize to save his life. We fixed it.
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Keep in mind that in public school systems, teachers are little more than drones to the state and federal regulations of how they should teach and to the publishing industry of what they should teach.
And what other people have posted: lack of resources, home environment, peer environment, these are all factors that are outside of the control of the teacher as well. Basically, if you're a teacher in the public school system in this country, you're f***ed.
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Marc Clifton wrote: Basically, if you're a teacher in the public school system in this country, you're f***ed.
I was going to reply that it's as bad in the UK, but I browsed a bit, and found that it can be quite a bit worse, over there.
Good teachers should be honoured and respected, or they'll lose their incentive for being good teachers.
Some states impose ridiculous requirements (and even belief systems!), and the amount of corporate interference would never be tolerated, over here. I can understand why some people move huge distances, after having children.
I find it sad that children should be victim to such things. You can't get back any of the times that have gone past, but that's especially poignant for childhood times.
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In Texas, standsardized tests were used for some time, not sure about now. The problem was that teachers taught the kids the answers to the standardized tests, but they never learned anything except how to take that test.
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Yes, that's a problem I've seen a few times, especially in university -- which made a travesty of the whole thing, because two guys in particular should never have got even close to getting a degree walked away with one.
The solution would be to prevent teachers knowing what's in the papers beforehand (except that it will all be on the syllabus), but I imagine it would be pretty tricky to enforce that, especially in schools with lots of rich kids.
I know that people in China can get prison sentences for that kind of cheating in schools, but that's probably harsher than I'd go for.
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M son excells in math, but his teacher complained to me that he was having trouble keeping up with the class. I asked him about it and he showed me his notebook. He had already worked every problem in the textbook and was less than halfway through the course. The teacher had no idea she couldn't communicate with him.
I'm sure he would have scored high on the standardized tests, but should the teacher be rewarded based on his results, when in effect he figured it out on his own and the teacher did nothing but complain about him.
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That was me, when I was a kid; Maths came naturally to me, so they could have put a plank of wood at the front of the Maths class.
Luckily, I had pretty good teachers to encourage and help me in some of the other subjects, so I managed to get a more rounded early education.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: So our suffering at finding that highly-qualified programmers don't know how to code will be shared among other professions
Did you have a profession in mind that doesn't have problems like that?
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Do you like to obcusfate your code?
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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I prefer to obcusfate the desing instead.
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Yes, that comes pretty naturaly to me too.
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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Why? The requirements are obfuscated enough.
In Word you can only store 2 bytes. That is why I use Writer.
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OriginalGriff wrote: the desing
I that where the fat lady never sings?
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No time for that. I have to work on the tada bniding right now.
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His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Code[^]
A system of words, letters, figures, or symbols used to represent others, especially for the purposes of secrecy
So you mean to re-obfuscate?
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To some of my colleagues, it seems to come naturally; it takes them no extra effort.
My answer: No, quite to the contrary. Cleaning up messy, unreadable code (whether deliberately or unintentionally looking like entries to the IOCCC) to make it lucid, readable an maintainable, is far more satisfying. It gives me the same pleasure as the joy it gives me to delete code lines that are no longer needed. Often, those are two sides of the same coin.
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Of course, if it was hard to write it should be hard to read.
Actual code:
var banana = GetSomeStuff(someVar, lolImAMonkey); 
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No, I write for maximum readability, and will remove any nonsense. See below a practical example of code that obfuscates and does not add any value;
public static void ForEach<T>(this IEnumerable<T> enumeration, Action<T> action)
{
foreach(T item in enumeration)
{
action(item);
}
}I've been told it should be used. I said no, I will use a regular loop 
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Sander Rossel wrote: So you're right, and those who told you to use it aren't
I know; it is a construct that only hides the original loop, adds costs and possible failure-points without providing any benefits at all. It just "looks cooler" to some.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: I know;
But now you have Eric Lippert and, more importantly, me backing you up 
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