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I just wanted to make a funny follow up to the lye - lie discussion by bringning in the second meaning of lie, and how a sentence can have two meanings depending on which meaning of lie you select.
If you don't know of Epimenides paradox, you would never think of the second meaning, that of telling a lie, and would only get the first meaning, "lies behind" in the "is the source of" meaning.
Knowing of Epimenide and his paradox you would probably make the asspcoation between paradox and the famous Cretan, hinting you about the alternate meaning of lie.
And that's as far as that joke will go. If you don't think it is funny, just skip over it.
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A little too obscure for me I am afraid. 
Member 7989122 wrote: follow up to the lye
that's a slippery one!
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Foam is a really fantastic way for manufacturers to save a huge amount on costs (without reducing prices, of course).
The technology for sprung mattresses (yes, it is very complicated) has been tested and proven to an unbelievable degree.
Anyone who tries to con you into buying a cheap slab of foam rubber (which will probably slowly poison you in your sleep, anyway) should be given short shrift.
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Yes, this is why they didnt use memory foam for the couches in space ships of course. 
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Your bedroom (which I shouldn't be surprised to find is in the basement of your mother's house) may be done up like a spaceship, but the rest of us have grown-ups' furniture.
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NASA saved cash didnt they, when they designed couches for astronauts to lie in, for days. They just wanted cheap didnt they, f*** the comfort, f*** it all, so long as its cheap. Thats why they invented memory foam, because it is cheap isnt it, much cheaper than springs.
You really are a massive idiot Mark. Why do you keep doing this to yourself?
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Y'know, if you take a face tissue, the kind that's meant for blowing your nose, and try to mop up spilled milk with it, it doesn't do a very good job of it.
And if you try to mop up spilled milk with kitchen tissues, they do a good job -- but they won't half make your nose sore, if you use them to blow your nose.
The differences between a couch on a spaceship and the bed in a bedroom of a normal house are way greater than the differences between the two types of tissue, because they are designed to serve extremely different functions, and they follow technological patterns that are worlds apart.
Of course, a troll won't care about that kind of thing. He'll just cling on to a ridiculous argument, and continually insult people who point out that what he's saying makes no bleeding sense whatsoever.
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Memory Foam | NASA[^]
"Perhaps the most widely recognized NASA spinoff, memory foam was invented by NASA-funded researchers looking for ways to keep test pilots cushioned during flights. Today, memory foam makes for more comfortable beds, couches and chairs, not to mention better shoes, movie theater seats and even football helmets."
Yeah, so massively different it has NO application at all for the rest of us. /sarcasm
Idiot.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Of course, a troll won't care about that kind of thing. He'll just cling on to a ridiculous argument, and continually insult people who point out that what he's saying makes no bleeding sense whatsoever.
QED.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: space ships
Gravity - I think there may be a difference in the environments.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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Not to mention clothing....
NASA designed memory foam to be very comfortable, which it is, and has therefore become very popular for beds. That is a fact that no one can deny.
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I've been using a memory foam mattress for a few years now and love it. It's firm and it's comfortable.
I don't live in a particularly hot country but I do like a cool place to sleep and I can't say that I've noticed any temperature issues.
The surprising thing about them is how small they are when packaged up - I remember thinking "no way on Earth is this a double mattress!" but after a few hours, there it was.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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Most of the "Memory foam" manufacturers seem to do a 60 / 100 day free trial - if you don't get on with it, you can return it: it may be worth trying one of those (though I suspect getting it back in the box may be ... um ... interesting). There may be "in original condition" caveats on it, so if you or your SO are prone to night sweating ...
My feeling is: stuff that - the foam in my chair squashes loads in just a couple of years, so a mattress made of the stuff will probably need replacing fairly quickly ... I could be completely wrong though.
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OriginalGriff wrote: so a mattress made of the stuff will probably need replacing fairly quickly ... I could be completely wrong though.
Its like, Here is the coffee you wanted, may be not. Ugh I don't know. Just get it yourself.
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Not only that, but which position do you want it to remember?
AFAIK, the only people who sleep in exactly the same position every night, and never move at all when they're asleep, are the ones who are only "asleep" because it says so on their gravestones.
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I sleep in as many positions as the cat will allow me. Which is one, and don't wriggle too much if you value your toes.
Herself on the other hand ... she sleeps in as many positions as it takes to wrap Herself up in the whole duvet like a sausage roll. 
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OriginalGriff wrote: Herself on the other hand ... she sleeps in as many positions as it takes to wrap Herself up in the whole duvet like a sausage roll.
I know the problem. I'm always waking up with aches and pains because at least one appendage is suffering from exposure.
And the cat makes a rubbish -- and bloody expensive to maintain -- hot-water bottle.
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The cat makes an excellent footwarmer, provided I don't move too much. Or he doesn't move too much: he pushes quite aggressively if a leg is in his way and you can end up doing Yoga in your sleep.
A "real" bottle would be cheaper - and rather less smelly as well.
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C-P-User-3 wrote: I lied (laid ?) down on one this week.
Last night I laid the table for dinner. Later I went upstairs and lay on the bed. I lie, I never laid the table.
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Two-part caution:
1 - If polyurethane, or similarly composed material, if it's not properly cured it will emit very low levels of formaldehyde. This, over time, causes some very serious chronic illnesses.
2 - If made in China (you can be sure of that, if not now, soon) then the chances of poor quality control is significantly greater than substantial.
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We've had a foam mattress for about a year now and so far, we like it. We call it the marshmallow because it 'hugs you and never lets you go'. I like it because I don't move every time my partner does and it is supportive where it needs to be.
It does depend on what position you sleep in though. I don't think it is comfortable for sleeping on your stomach.
I find it a little warmer than springs but not uncomfortably so.
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We've had a TempurPedic (sp?) for eight plus years. It's very comfortable to lie/lay/whatever on. You don't get pressure points like you can with other types of mattresses. Noticeable difference when we are in a hotel.
It is a bit warmer than a regular mattress. Being at the point of chronological development where my wife has, ah, temperature regulation difficulties, we tend to have windows open at night.
Overall, it's been a good experience, though not perfect.
Contemplating going to a local store that carries Purple https://purple.com/ mattresses and give them a test lay/lie/whatever.
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I've had 2 tempurpedics, over the last 14 years. I get warm but adjust blankets accordingly. I like that my SO can toss and turn without my side moving. I really notice that when traveling with hotel mattresses. I tried the purple one at a store for a few minutes. I found the Sleep Number to be most compelling next bed - the adjustable firmness is of interest, along with a heating/cooling option.
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Just say no.
Awful things.
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In this country (Norway), foam mattresses have been the rule for kids' beds, cabins and campers, for 50+ years. When you grow up, you get a "real" mattress at home.
In mountain cabins, you accept anyting, even a twenty year old sloppy old 5 cm thick mat. It is still better than putting your sleeping bag directly on the wood.
If you're planning for something more comfortable, such as in your camper, you should select a double mattress: A bottom 10 cm firm foam mattress, and on top of that, an "eggshell" mattess that has a 5 cm solid layer with a 5 cm layer of bumps, like in an egg carton. The eggshell is the under side of the top mattress. If you are a heavyweight, the top mattress should be as firm as possible; more lightweight people prefer a softer top mattress.
The eggshell foam mattresses are reasonably acceptable, even for a multi-week vacation. But I admit that I still feel sort of relief when I get home to my "real" mattress 
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