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From a consumer point of view Jobs comes out on tops, largely because of marketing and because he is able to persuade his followers that it's not that the phone is trash it's that they are holding it the wrong way and if they insist on holding it the wrong way they can wrap the phone in a condom to get it to work.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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maze3 wrote: Which looked better in a black turtleneck and blue jeans?
Lawyers call this sort of question "leading the witness". I don't need to explain what it means.
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Sorry, lad - no hero worship here.
All the real work was done by the developers who made things useful, both within their respective companies, and by far more importantly, everyone else who developed. The "open source" for computer parts (for those products, i.e., IBM PC style) allowed reduced pricing via competition and thus increased accessibility ===> popularity.
So give the Kudos to IBM and the others who made a "PC" template that stuck!
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They both suck, like this question.
Also Sheryl Crow. 
Ehh! It seems I will reply to ANYTHING...
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Neither. By all accounts they both encouraged a 'corporate culture' of 80-hour work weeks and at-all-costs delivery schedules that destroyed the personal lives of far more engineers than they ever made wealthy.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Gates because he could program, and so valued software... built a ~Bliinndingly! Successful business around faith in it, and the value it can create. Jobs sold hardware. Software was a means to that end for him, not the end. I always hated how closed and controlling Apple was/is. It's too arrogant of a position for my tastes.
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To leave some summary comments:
Most of the focus was on the businesses of Apple and Microsoft.
No one mentioned Gates shift toward philanthropy once he could (mostly) leave Microsoft to its own devices and give curing the next (insert what being worked on now). Contrast that with Jobs which had not signed up to the Giving Pledge group.
As people - lots said about Jobs' personality, but some comments provided that Gate's not a shining angle either.
And i will leave this final thought: If one of them had not existed, would the other be as successful in their own right as they have been?
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Who has provided more influence in the tech industry?
Steve Jobs. Gates gave us BASIC and an OS he stole from Jobs (who copied it from Xerox).
Which was better at pong?
I would guess Jobs because he once worked at Atari, but I don't say that with authority since I never saw either play.
Who was the better CEO?
Jobs. A good manager gets his workers to do what he wants, regardless of the method (rewards, threats, whatever). Apple WAS Jobs; Microsoft had various factions infighting.
Who have helped the world better with their technology solutions?
Gates probably helped developers more; after all, he complained about open source, created the idea of software licensing, etc. Jobs provided more to society. Apple provided the first commercially successful microcomputer, the first commercially successful GUI, the only commercially successful "music box", and the model for EVERY cellphone today (Android is more popular than iPhone, but anyone saying it didn't start as a copy of iPhone is just lying).
Who was smarter?
Bill Gates. Created an empire; perfected "embrace, extend, extinguish"; still looked like a rock when compared to Jobs' charisma, salesmanship and con-man ability.
Which looked better in a black turtleneck and blue jeans?
I've seen a lot of different women named, and I'd agree with ANY of them over these two.
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<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njos57IJf-0"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njos57IJf-0">Steve Jobs vs Bill Gates. Epic Rap Battles of History - YouTube</a>[<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njos57IJf-0" target="_blank" title="New Window">^</a>]</a>[<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njos57IJf-0" target="_blank" title="New Window">^</a>]
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I didn't know that was possible before I read OG's reply to my message below.
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Oh yes - report the buggers as quick as possible!
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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I think I got him pretty quick, 5 posts and then his profile; before I went to bed
Director of Transmogrification Services
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Wow - it's pretty bad today...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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It is.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - Have you got a spare lying around we can borrow?
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Oh John buys ammo by the ton, he should have some spare! Huntin' Spammers? 
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I have enough ammo to take care of the problem, but have not received an official request for abatement.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Take a look at the "Design and Architecture" forum; you think I'm going to navigate to each profile-page to report them?
As for the AI that is supposed to be the spam-filter - it only reacts on members, as far as I can see, preventing them from answering. Doesn't prevent them buggers from posting.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Doesn't prevent them buggers from posting.
I think Chris should look into another, more secure way of posting. PITA for us to use for sure, but it would cut down on these types of events. captcha, retina scan, voice is my command type of stuff, etc.
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Slacker007 wrote: I think Chris should look into another, more secure way of posting. PITA for us to use for sure, but it would cut down on these types of events. captcha, retina scan, voice is my command type of stuff, etc.
Just flag every new profile who posts multiple times in a single board.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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There are over 1400 spam messages in the design and architecture forum. f*** that.
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I flagged over 600, and no proof that the hamster learned anything.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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40 pages of spam and counting at present. Does anyone have @chris-maunder 's phone number or a priority email; this needs more powerful tools than we mortals have to deal with.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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I'm here, just putting the heavy boots on
cheers
Chris Maunder
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QA looks good now, but the Design and Architecture forum still needs a hazmat suit to vist.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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