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Pop music is, well, more popular than Verdi's one.
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Seriously you are on this same issue, get over it, most of us here don't give a rats about the index and put very little faith in the veracity of it's results. Why would we, the majority of us use c# and live peaceably with the VB.net community despite the barrage of insult hurled at them from time to time.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I have spent 15 years developing my in-house app in VB. I can code in C but I like the readability of VB.
I compare the VB haters to Harley Davidson riders who look down at my full dress Suzuki.
The bike is no better/worse, but the club mentality makes them feel superior.
I am a proud VB coder!
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Of course it is popular; everyone can be a programmer with VB
With C# too, with Python too (#4 position in Tiobe index) ...
Everyone can be a programmer with (put your preferred language here).
Bad argument.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: In other news, over 50% of projects fail.
Source?
Eddy Vluggen wrote: Your move 
Done.
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georani wrote: Bad argument.
No, an old and valid one, and proven at that; most programmers that started as hobbyists used VB; a language that encourages bad constructs and minimizes the stuff the user has to know.
georani wrote: Source?
Google it yourself, it is not like it is a secret.
georani wrote: Done.
Make it serious, or don't attempt another one.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: started as hobbyists used VB; a language that encourages bad constructs and minimizes the stuff the user has to know.
It is a lie, You're confounding Classic VB (1998, 20 years old language) with VB.NET (an C# equivalent language).
See by yourself:
VB.NET and C# Comparison (2016)[^]
Eddy Vluggen wrote: Google it yourself, it is not like it is a secret.
I did it, I have found not articles about 50% of VB.NET projects fails, again you are lying.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: Make it serious, or don't attempt another one.
Done.
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georani wrote: It is a lie, You're confounding Classic VB (1998, 20 years old language) with VB.NET (an C# equivalent language).
No, I'm not.
Saying that VB.NET s a C# equivalent is nonsense; they target the same runtime, but so does managed C++. No one in their right mind would compare VB to C++, calling them equivalent. It implies that you could take a VB.NET programmer and drop him/her in an "equivalent" environment. You can't 
georani wrote:
I did it, I have found not articles about 50% of VB.NET projects fails, again you are lying.
I could offer help, but I'm weirdly enough not in a helpfull mood 
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Saying that VB.NET s a C# equivalent is nonsense;
Really? So, please see this, click:
VB.NET and C# Comparison (2016)[^]
Eddy Vluggen wrote: I could offer help, but I'm weirdly enough not in a helpfull mood
Is your bad mood because you got caught up in a lie?
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georani wrote: Really? So, please see this, click:
VB.NET and C# Comparison (2016)[^]
A comparison does not make an equivalent.
georani wrote: Is your bad mood because you got caught up in a lie?
No, because I'm accused of lying by some over-emotional twat who has trouble understanding English.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Projects fail because of crap programmers.
modified 6-Sep-22 21:01pm.
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..often hobbyists turned pro. Good that doctors don't do that
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I'm probably one of those unfortunate that had a manager who felt an urge to develop enterprise level in VB...
From your post I can conclude you are not in the same boat...
The day you will be curious enough to check how TIOBE's index built, you will understand how it is useless and on the same day you will understand how VB is limited...
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: From your post I can conclude you are not in the same boat my manager...
FTFY 
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: you will understand how VB is limited
It's pretty much the same as C# though.
Although lately it hasn't been given the same attention as C#.
It works the same for .NET, but I don't even think .NET Core supports VB.
As far as I'm concerned that's Microsoft telling us VB is still supported, but not further developed.
Anyway, that's not really the language's fault...
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Ok, so VB is or wasn't supported for .NET Core 1.x, Portable Framework, Unity, some Azure functionality...
It seems VB always comes last for Microsoft, if at all.
And then sometimes, someone, like you, comes along who loves VB and promises to make it all better and it gets a little bit better only for VB to fall behind again.
Yeah, VB was my first language and as such it has a special place in my heart, but I wouldn't recommend VB as a career path for anyone.
Programmers aren't using it, employers aren't asking for it.
It only, somehow, has a high position in a weird TIOBE index.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: ...you will understand how VB is limited...
You assertion is a lie.
C# and VB.NET are equivalent languages!!
See:
VB.NET and C# Comparison (2016)[^]
Sorry to use large fonts, but I guess you did not read it the first time 
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Lexical part of the language is not all makes it a language...
Try this in English:
Tavon a lúd átúsz, visszaúsz meg átúsz.
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
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Please, see this hypothetical and valid VB.NET code:
Select Case L1
Case Is < 50
If L1 = 42 Then
For x = 0 To 100
For y = 0 To 100
For z = 0 To 100
L1 = DoSomethingWithL(x,y,z,L)
If L1 = 2 Then L1 += 1 Else L1 = 0
Next z
Next y
Next x
End If
Case Is > 390
L1 = 0
Case Is = 70
L1 = 32
End Select
Now compare with the only way to do the same thing in C#:
if (L1 < 50)
{
if (L1 == 42)
{
for (var x = 0; x <= 100; x++)
{
for (var y = 0; y <= 100; y++)
{
for (var z = 0; z <= 100; z++)
{
L1 = DoSomethingWithL(x,y,z,L);
if (L1 == 2)
{
L1 += 1;
}
else
{
L1 = 0;
}
}
}
}
}
}
else if (L1 > 390)
{
L1 = 0;
}
else if (L1 == 70)
{
L1 = 32;
}
Which is more readable and fun? Do you prefer "Curly Braces Hell"?
modified 14-Oct-18 14:08pm.
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I would say that such highly hypothetical code has nothing to do with nothing...
I also would say that you do not know how to write efficient code in C#, if you think you have to add all those brackets, or that this is the only way to write it...
You also totally drop the factor of experience... C# can be done in different ways, and be still perfectly readable for the experienced...
(L1 = (L1 == 42 || (L1 > 390)) ? L1 = 0 : (L1 == 70) ? L1 = 32 : L1;)
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: I would say that such highly hypothetical code has nothing to do with nothing...
Yes, it is an highly hypothetical and compilable code and randomly typed in Visual Studio. I did it just to show my point.
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: (L1 = (L1 == 42 || (L1 > 390)) ? L1 = 0 : (L1 == 70) ? L1 = 32 : L1;)
This C# code you made is not similar to that one, I have edit it and added only one line inside "for" block:
DoSomethingWithL(x,y,z,L);
Please, try again with this new code.
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It appears with the garbage VB and supposedly identical C# you concocted that you are a master of master of all things! We should bow to you and our soon-to-be VB.NET overlords!
Oh, but wait, what's this? Surely this doesn't work?! You can't have expressions in a C# switch statement!!!
Sorry, but YES YOU CAN, if you know even 1% of C# BASIC syntax...
switch (L1)
{
case int xx when xx < 50 || xx == 42:
for (int x = 0; x < 101; x++)
for (int y = 0; y < 101; y++)
for (int z = 0; y < 101; z++)
{
L1 = DoSomethingWithL(x, y, z, L1);
L1 = (L1 == 2 ? L1 = 3 : L1 = 0);
}
break;
case int xx when xx > 390:
L1 = 0;
break;
case 70:
L1 = 32;
break;
}
If you love VB.NET, then USE it, we don't care. Just stop embarrassing yourself by trying to "Prove" how much better VB.NET is.
I am proficient in both languages and I prefer C#. That doesn't make me better or worse than you.
All you do with these threads on "VB is better!!!" is tick people off. If that's how you get your jollies, I feel for you.
'nuff said.
Sincerely,
-Mark
mamiller@rhsnet.org
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Mark Miller wrote: Sorry, but YES YOU CAN, if you know even 1% of C# BASIC syntax
This C# code you made is valid only in Visual Studio 2017 and C# 7.0, few people know that
But the equivalent VB.net is so since 2002
So you have made a stupid and impolite declaration about my C# knowledge
Pattern Matching in C# 7.0 Case Blocks -- Visual Studio Magazine[^]
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