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Rantwindows belongs in a box Pin
lopatir13-Sep-18 4:50
lopatir13-Sep-18 4:50 
recently put a new dev system together, i5-8400, 32GB RAM, 2 x 1TB SSD. Not the most powerful beast but more than enough grunt for my needs (dev, mostly VS.)

been a die hard w7 user as sad to find out w7 didn't support the intel 3xx chipset (video and USB). Sure there were ways (hacks) to make it work, but way too many hoops and far too much jumping, so either suck up w10, or linux.

Well 2 SSD's, let's try both. (later one will become a shadow for the other.)

w10: it looked and felt wrong: restricted, throttled.
linux: does well, you feel you are getting the full use of your hardware.

technically

lets face it, w10 is an operating system that grew up from DOS via a sort of inflexible GUI, at it's core it's [still] designed for one person to do one thing at a time.  yeah it sort of multitasks, but not really, still too simple (and it happens often) for one app to cripple the entire machine.  In old speak it's broken: (internal) task scheduling is a series of hacks on hacks on a single stream even with multi core/multi CPU's, the network stack is implementation is, well it's bass ackward, the file system fails basic multi user tasking requirements, the kernel / user separation is hard coded crap that's easy to bypass and sadly sometimes necessary to get hings done as well as a goldred diamond mine for hackers/virii - it's not a true multitasking o/s, it's a hack on a single user single task base core.

linux is 90% there as a properly structured o/s in all respects, it does manage true multi tasking, a proper network (in fact nearly all hardware) stack, it's 95% there in properly segregating kernel from user (rarely needed except for o/s management), mostly it knows it's just an o/s, not an o/s plus some parts of some application - in particular network and other hardware management / processing is not 'integrated' into the core, it's modularised (not a bad trade off).  Internet is not built into the O/S, it's no right to be there, ever - something ms completely elepahnted and they still stick with doing that - WTF!!.

Summary: windows is not a proper O/S, linux mostly is, and what that means the wrongness of the former is becoming a genuine issue on today's decently powerful hardware.

non technical version

- w10: like driving a prius to the bus stop on a rainy day, trying to find a park, walking 15 minutes to the bus stop then waiting 30 mins for the bus, perhaps you might get to where you maybe need to be if you are lucky.
And you know you are being ripped off because you know it's not a prius you're in; it's just w10 making it feel that way...
if you're really going to run w10 on the metal save your money and buy a netbook, yes a netbook - it'd be just as good for what you get out of it.


- linux: Like using a Mustang (or your own favorite) to drive to the beach: you know you're getting your moneys worth [from the hardware], a few quirks but you can grow into them, main thing is and you get to go where you want to go.
To be fair linux does have it's own unique downside: too many cooks pissing in stirring the pot, luckily the master chef has it mostly under control.

One line conclusion:
If you're buying new [decent powered] hardware: for goodness sake don't waste it by installing w10 natively.

Development how? linux doesn't do vs: of course VM's all the way
something else I encountered during trying both environments:
w7 and w10 guests (with vs2013 and vs2017 installed - accessing source on a shared drive:
- linux host (virtual box): very smooth, simple, well balanced.  Hardly notice it's on a vm, except all those snapshot features and other goodies you get.
- w10 host (vbox, hyper, vmware): sluggish, troublesome, not smooth, almost daily need to re-tweak things UAC and other w10 stupidity kept biting, (worse than mosqitoes...),  like a never ending clown show, a really sad clown show.  How to get anything done?

Bonus: w10 running in a vm with a "host-only network" - surprisingly happy as a pig in sh*t.  w10 (native and as guest) get's wonky when it has no network at all, but give it a [it thinks] full network to talk to (i.e. with DNS ect) - even when it can't find microsloth.com seems perhaps it just thinks that mommy is not answering because she's sleeping so never mind so all is still ok in the world - if it's go no network it knows it's alone.

(double bonus: w10 updates? do off-line, i.e. when you want to do it - full control is returned to owner.  Many instructions on the net - so much better than letting w10 look after itself - I mean, particularly as a developer than needs full control over their system.  what a completely stupid joke the current w10 update system STILL is.

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