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pwasser wrote: If the same happened to you you'd assume
No, I would verify.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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The guy did verify, the problem was that nobody could or would do anything about it because the computer was in control.
I've had a lot of experience with being on the receiving end of stuff like this (although not this one exactly). Verifying is great, but at the end of the day, what people say doesn't matter anywhere near as much as what the computers say.
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patbob wrote: The guy did verify, the problem was that nobody could or would do anything about it because the computer was in control.
Someone is usually in control of "the computer".
patbob wrote: what people say doesn't matter anywhere near as much as what the computers say.
If you blindly are assuming all your data is correct, you deserve the consequences.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Someone is usually in control of "the computer".
Well, yeah. Technically. But the reality is a bit different. What if the only way to fix the problem in time is to manually "edit" the production database while its live? Even if you're willing to risk your job that way, is your boss willing to risk their's by letting you do it?
Eddy Vluggen wrote: If you blindly are assuming all your data is correct, you deserve the consequences
Sometimes, the problem is with who believes the database, and whether they're willing to take your word over the computer's. These days, computers are assumed to be correct until they change what they say. We all know that isn't the case, but that doesn't stop people from acting that way.
For example, what if one day your bank's computer said you had no money due to a computer glitch. Even if they could verify it was a computer glitch, do you think they'd give you any money until it was fixed and the computer once again said you had money?
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patbob wrote: Well, yeah. Technically. But the reality is a bit different. What if the only way to fix the problem in time is to manually "edit" the production database while its live?
I'll laugh very hard at the incompetence, point out that I'm not liable for any errors in their database or the damages created thereby, and offer my services. At a nice hourly rate, of course.
patbob wrote: Even if you're willing to risk your job that way, is your boss willing to risk their's by letting you do it?
Depending on what boss, such things could be "normal procedure".
patbob wrote: Sometimes, the problem is with who believes the database, and whether they're willing to take your word over the computer's.
No, it is not. They're not required to believe me.
patbob wrote: For example, what if one day your bank's computer said you had no money due to a computer glitch. Even if they could verify it was a computer glitch, do you think they'd give you any money until it was fixed and the computer once again said you had money?
There is one bank in the Netherlands that sometimes has clients waking up to some "wrong" number on their account. It is not just a pointer to a number, but a total of transactions. As long as the transactions are recorded and validated, the resulting number will be correct.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Hi all,
I'm planning to buy a sit/stand desktop... given I'm not comfortable with my current table set up (too high for my back, legs...[^]).
I know this is a little overkill, but doing that I'll get the right height for sure.
I've seen a lot of sites say the best one is the "Fully.com jarvis bamboo desktop". But then I've seen what looks a super professional review[^] that says this one is the most popular but not the best and propose some other candidates and says it moves a lot.
Living in Barcelona I can visit Haworth (where I'll be able to see the Herman Miller one which will cost half of my organs) and Steelcase, but I have not found more options to see the product so I have to rely on the Internet reviews to buy one... So I've decided to ask all you about your opinions...
I'm searching for a robust and stable desk. A slight movement can make my displays to move (given I have them on two articulated arms).
Also I'm interested in a low table starting at 65cm/25.5in.
The table top should be (80cm x 150cm)/(31.5in x 59in)
This said, have you worked with any height regulable desktop?
Do you feel it woobly? (Does it moves when you work?)
Which one would you recommend and why?
Thank you all, this is an expensive thing and I want to get some opinions that are not the ones from the Steelcase sales staff. 
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6 months ago I bought one of these from IKEA based on a recommendation from a colleague (we work remotely)
I love it, and it definitely makes a difference to stand for parts of the day
Not cheap, but worth it in my opinion.
---Guy H  ---
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I've seen the Bekant desktop at IKEA... They had it semi-dismounted... so I was not able to feel it well...
Does it shake or move while you type? Do you feel it strong?
In fact this is the cheapest one compared to the other ones I'm looking at... 
If you have time, could you tell me if you agree with the specific review btod make of this desk? see it here: IKEA Bekant Electric Sit To Stand Desk (Review / Rating / Pricing)[^]
Thank you!
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Luckily I have had no issues with mine at all. I have seen reviews where people mention their bad experiences with the motor.
Regarding stability - no complaints here. If I type hard enough my monitor does wobble a little, but only when stood up and leaning on the edge of the desk.
The one in the review looks extremely small compared to mine...
My Desk
---Guy H ---
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I'm sitting behind one of those since two years now and it's absolutely stable.
Well, it depends on yourself a bit of course, you're the one putting it together after all.
It does feel a little bit wobbly if I sit on it though. (Approx. 100 kg)
Personally I prefer those desks that curve around my belly, allowing me to use the desk itself as a support for my elbows.
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Hi,
I've been searching for desk a year ago and found that Flexispot E5S/B/W (last letter denotes the frame color: silver, black or white) has very good reviews. You can find some customer's reviews on YouTube and you can check reviews at Amazon (there are number of reviews on German, UK and US shops).
Unfortunately, there was no delivery to Croatia, so I had to take a similar desk (frame only, without top desk) from another manufacturer on eBay (the model is not available anymore). Another option was Bekant table from Ikea, but I've read complaints that it can swing easily, it has no preset heights option and it is pricier than the one I've purchased. Stand I've purchased looks pretty similar to Flexispot, only controller is different.
I've been using the desk for over 6 months with two 24" monitors on it and I am very pleased with it. I am standing for the most of the time (approximately 75% of my working time) and change my position 2-3 times per day at most. Like most of height-adjustable desks, it can be raised from 63 cm to 125 cm (this doesn't include the top desk thickness), it has 3 customizable height preset options, customizable alarm option to remind you for position change after a period of time. Motor is quiet, when changing the height it starts/stops gradually, without a jerk.
Desk is pretty stable and solid. Of course, in upward position it will swing when you push it harder but it is really hard to overturn.
Anyway, I suggest you to check customer's reviews on Amazon (you can start with Flexispot, another choices will show up). You will find several models for around 400 € or less (without the top desk) that have positive reviews. Most of them have same features I described above.
Hope this helps,
Julijan
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We use Varidesk[^] here at work. I don't personally use one, but people seem pleased with them and from what I can tell they're pretty stable. My boss has two 24" monitors on his and they haven't fallen off yet 
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I use the Varidesk ProPlus48 with two 24 inch monitors. Well built, no problems, easy install. Hard to say how stable any stand-up desk would be if monitors on reticulating arms were attached. They are not made for such as far as I can tell and it seems it could throw off the balance of the total setup due to leverage of the arms with a heavy monitor. My unit is weighted at about 70-80 pounds, but still... I had a reticulating arm for one monitor and simply gave it up as it ergonomically didn't work well with the stand-up scheme. Never tried to attach it.
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I have the Fully Jarvis Bamboo with 72 x 30 inch top. I have been using it for about a year and it's great. I have 32in monitor, phone, 2 laptops and few other things. The desk does not wobble but there is some vibrations from my hard typing which shakes my monitor a bit.
No other complains. I have also used a Varidesk for about 10 days but didn't fit my desk due to height of the desk. I had a the cubicle model and found the height between keyboard/mouse tray and monitor shelf was a bit tight.
Hope this helps.
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Hi Joan,
I purchased an iMovr sit/stand desk and have been very happy with it. I needed one that was able to fit in a relatively small space, had programmable heights (up/down), and could withstand a dual monitor holder for 24 inch screens. Shop Standing Desks, Sit-Stand, Stand Up and Adjustable Workstations - iMovR[^]
I don't know whether they ship to Spain, but it's worth asking.
Good luck!
Laura
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I purchased the business edition from Autonomous. This has great height range, along with dual motors to handle the weight smoothly. The price is great and I've been extremely pleased with the quality. Many versions are available on Amazon as well.
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I second autononous. I've got one at home and I love it.
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Two people who sit near me have the desks that allow you to stand up and sit down
(VARIDESK 49900 - Height-Adjustable Standing Desk - Pro Plus 36 - Black [^] )
The first person probably changes his to stand position about once a week. It's very loud so you notice it.
The 2nd person who has had it for only 2 months max, was standing for about the first 2 weeks.
Now, I haven't seen her change it to standing position in at least 1 month.
EDIT
There is an issue with these desks (every standing desk I've seen) that isn't often pointed out.
When you stand you are supporting your hands (keyboarding and mousing) via your shoulders since they have no place to rest. If someone really did this over a few years she would most likely suffer from shoulder pain from the stress of it. It's just not ergonomically correct to support your arms like that. It's better to allow them to lay on the desk.
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I have this desk (with a custom-built desktop that could be molded perfectly to your belly):
2-Leg Height-Adjustable Desk Frame | Shop UPLIFT Desk[^]
And two of these arms (for two 27" monitors):
Single Monitor Arm | UPLIFT Desk[^]
Uplift also has dual monitor arms (that apparently support two 27") but the two separate arms allow more flexibility. The monitors don't move/wiggle at all when I type. If you pound the keys, maybe the monitors wiggle a bit but it isn't noticeable. If you regularly pound your head on the desk, the monitors will wiggle quite a bit, however, your face will be on the desktop so monitor movement still won't be noticeable! Note in all of these "normal use" scenarios, the monitors don't actually move, they just wiggle. Rest assured, these arms are well made and include adjustable friction at every joint of the arm so you might be able to eliminate the head-bang-on-desk wiggle.
The desk itself has been flawless. I've maybe had to reset it once after a long power outage but this doesn't happen with every power outage (where "reset" finds the desktop's fully lowered, zero, position). It's also fast -- fully raises or lowers in ~15 seconds.
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At work they gave us standing desks and tall ergo chairs similar to this one. The reality is that I never lower the desk, and only sit on the tall chair when I am tired, and that works great for me. So at home I ended up getting a tall desk from craigslist and an ergo chair which works the same in the end but at a much better price.
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Andre Sanches
"UNIX is friendly, it's just picky about its friends"
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I took a few pieces of scrap wood and some screws and built a stand for my monitors and another for my keyboard and mouse. I placed these on top of a table, and voila! It works fine for me. I've been using it for a couple years now. Total cost $0. (BTW, I work from home.)
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Either my coworker or me did this in c++ before about 15 or more years:
double factor= exp(-21.0 * log(2.0));
where
a.) double exp (double x) returns the base-e exponential function of x.
b.) double log (double x) returns the natural logarithm of x.
Do you recognize what exp(-21.0 * log(2.0))?
Do you have an idea why one have the idea to calculate this in that way?
 
[Edit]
If I think again about it...: Maybe we were trying to invent "source code obfuscation"
[Edit 1]
uuups, exp(-21.0, log(2.0)) should be of course exp(-21.0 * log(2.0));
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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You have just give the proof of why good comments are important.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I was thinking more proof why good naming is important.
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