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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: and to remain employed, we have to follow the employers rules regarding the use of their stuff
I was not strictly speaking "stuff", but also coding-guidelines and the stuff. Any stuff that ain't mine is probably going to be expensive.
Doing (or not doing) something purely because you don't want to get fired is not a very great motivation.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I followed the rules until they got tired of me following them, and they gave me increased privileges.
Meaning the rules there are "made up" and do not add much value. It is like traffic; we don't have rules simply to have rules; we have rules to make it safe and efficient. Sometimes that means breaking the damn law to save a life.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: was not strictly speaking "stuff",
Yeah but JSOP is and I was, the original post is about network security not coding guidelines. You are not hired to secure the network (I presume) so you should be conforming to the rules laid down by the people who were hired to do that job.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: Yeah but JSOP is and I was, the original post is about network security not coding guidelines.
Yup.
Mycroft Holmes wrote: You are not hired to secure the network (I presume)
Nope.
Mycroft Holmes wrote: so you should be conforming to the rules laid down by the people who were hired to do that job.
No, I'd be adhering to the rules of the network-admin that they hired 
He/she is the one that gets burned if anything goes amis, so he/she makes the rules; not human resources, and not the manager that hired me.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: we have to follow the employers rules regarding the use of their stuff
Yeah, but sometimes the rules are really dumb.
All of our machines at work have McAfee Endpoint Encryption installed, which means that every time you insert a Flash drive in a USB port, it prompts you to encrypt it. If you elect to do so, it effectively bricks the drive (you can't use it anywhere else). In my group's case, the point of using a Flash drive is to transfer data between machines that aren't connected network-wise. Since I'm constantly copying stuff to/from lab machines that aren't networked, that prompt is a first-order annoyance.
I wrote a little Windows application that runs in the background. It wakes up once a second, and if it sees the encryption prompt, it quietly reaches out and clicks the "No" button. No muss, no fuss.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Gary Wheeler wrote: It wakes up once a second, and if it sees the encryption prompt, it quietly reaches out and clicks the "No" button. No muss, no fuss.
That is not breaking the rule just proving that you are lazy and have the brains to get rid of the irritant while conforming to the rules.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: you are lazy
Got it in one.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Your employer has trust issues...
And it makes no sense at all because if you wanted to do harm an external internet connection would be the least of their problems.
My previous employer was like that and it really doesn't make you feel like a valued employee...
So I decided to quit after about four months (unfortunately, I was a contract employee and I had to finish the project, so ultimately I sat their for seven months).
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: I have convinced them to allow me to work from home - in Oz. Part of the conditions are that the laptop has no external email or internet connections, everything via the companies VPN. So no more CP, no more cut and paste.
They should block MSDN too, and all auto-update sources. You know, just to be sure.
So you now have two laptops on your desk side-by-side? On for "work", and one where CP is active and the work gets done?
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: They should block MSDN too, and all auto-update sources
They do!
Actually the work laptop will live evict the old desktop which is going to end up a print/db server
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I was just joking, I didn't realize some moron actually did that
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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You can use your own laptop for your personal work.
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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Have a second machine on your home network and use a program such as "Input Director" to run both machines from one mouse and keyboard - this allows cut and paste between the machines while still keeping them fairly isolated from each other.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
modified 6-Aug-18 9:42am.
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No USB, no bluetooth, no internet, no external mail and of course no admin rights, what makes you think they would allow me to install a non authorised product.
I do like the idea of sharing peripherals though, especially as the 2 external keyboards will be different  .
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I feel your pain. We don't have admin rights to our own machine, I can't even disable cAPS lOCK and it's driving me cRAZY!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Pink Floyd Reunion - Time - YouTube[^]
Looks like it works.....
youngstars (@sanderrossel ) listen to this, this was/is music 
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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Alas no more, they've done there last concert, album, they are no more.
Been listening to them since early 70s.
Everyone has a photographic memory; some just don't have film. Steven Wright
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Just bought the 2016 reissue of DSOTM on 180g vinyl. Very evocative of an era long gone.
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
modified 4-Aug-18 19:03pm.
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Reminds me that I should get a new pickup for my vinyl player.
My son ruined my old one at the age of two despite being put away in a storage room.
It was an Ortofon MC20 Mark II, I wonder what one, or an equivalent, would cost today?
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0x01AA wrote: youngstars (@sanderrossel ) listen to this, this was/is music
I've got the LP in my collection.
Don't lecture me on music, old man 
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Quote: Don't lecture me on music,
Ok, I will try it.
Quote: old man
No Chance to turn this 
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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You were watching Adult Video's from Russia and feel you should share that with us? 
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Sander Rossel wrote: ou were watching Adult Video's from Russia
I guess it was that or cat pictures, and he has some standards.
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That sentence can be interpreted in more than one way. 
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I don't think I'll be renewing that subscription. I've used only the MS AV for over 10 years now...with the exception of this laptop where it was pre-installed. It also irks me that this product warns me that my home/office wifi SID is insecure based only on the name being only 3 chars long. 
It's bad when you feel safer by disabling a feature of your AV!