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Having been out of my body several times, and having spent time studying accommodating philosophies and meditating, thinking, and feeling, I've come to the conclusion that my brain is a tool of my consciousness, but it is not me. Having said that, everything has at least a rudimentary consciousness, since everything is a product of consciousness that cannot be separated from its maker, so it might be possible for an AI to exhibit some consciousness, and our brains themselves to have some consciousness. But we are each more than that.
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Have you noticed that during meditation, you're mostly suppressing your though loop and enforcing minor sensory deprivation, until the residual brain activity becomes the primary thought loop?
I honestly don't recommend it. I recommend segmentation: use a completely different set of skills, thoughts and feelings for a part of the day.
That way, the other neurons can get some R&R, and you're emotions have more trigger moments, which helps to keep the chemical balance.
Thought cycles have an intrinsic value.
If I did nothing with them, it would feel like a waste.
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I get your point and engage in a variety of activities during the day.
On the other hand, meditation has enabled me to do and sense things of a psychic nature that the monkey mind usually blocks.
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KBZX5000 wrote: there's no measurable distinction between natural and artificial
There are significant differences.
First, here is the physical difference of the machines involved.
Second, there is no proof that all of human consciousness is limited to its physical constraints, meaning no AI would be able to replicate any part of human consciousness that is not physical.
Third, AI is incapable of maturing and growing on its own resulting in creativity. An AI, if asked which flower is prettier, can answer as its human minders have taught it in its training data. What AI cannot do is tell you why all on its own. And that, even a young human child can do.
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First point:
I don't believe we are actively making conscious decisions. We create iPhones because it's in our nature, similar to how a tree will grow fruit.
Regardless of how that makes either of us feel, I don't know of any known method to measure the difference between the two.
Second point:
I don't believe human consciousness is tied to the physical constraints of the human body.
I believe consciousness emerges when ideas are successfully shared between 2 people.
I do not believe there's anything inherently special about a person, but I do think we have strong feelings about the concept of being special.
Do you trust your gut feeling, or do you search for cold hard facts? I choose the latter, because it makes me feel better, ironically.
Third point:
When I asked a newborn which flower is prettiest, it failed to form any kind of sensible response.
When I asked google, it showed me pictures of pretty flowers.
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Fortunately, neither I nor any other adult is governed by what you believe.
Yes, I make conscious decisions all the time, not counting the basic functions of the autonomic nervous system. I endeavor to use reason as much as humanly possible, so that reason governs and directs my emotion-based feelings.
You asked Google to show pretty flowers. Google showed you what it’s human data sources determined were at least flowers, and at most pretty to them.
Not a good test.
Ask a 5 year old girl WHY she thinks the flower prettiest to her is pretty, and she can tell you.
Ask Google (or Bing) to pick its one prettiest flower, and if it can do that, ask it why is it the prettiest. The response will make clear why AI is not, nor ever will be, able to attain its own independent consciousness.
Science fiction is all fun and games until one starts thinking, without reason, it is real.
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Quote: Ask a 5 year old girl WHY she thinks the flower prettiest to her is pretty, and she can tell you.
Have you ever done this? Actual ask a child "why"?
When I ask a 5 year old girl why she likes something, the answer is a stunted and confused mess, which means she's making up the answer on the spot.
Fibbing is a nifty function of our brain, which generates most of our "on the fly" thinking. 5 year olds still suck at it, so it's easy to spot while it's happening.
But, that's not consciousness, that's just real-time retrieval of deep-stored memory, mashed through a lexicon and syntax parser.
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I am fascinated by AI, and perhaps more so by those who endeavor to create it. Most use the standard of "complete human intelligence" as the bar we need to cross. I would propose we set that bar much lower to actually achieve some success instead of just hype.
What about a dog? Dogs are not tremendously intelligent; however, they can learn behaviors AND they can make choices, so they DO possess some intelligence. Granted, some choices such as chasing cars, attacking a bigger dog, etc., may not be "wise" choices, BUT I know of no robotic dog that can decide whether it prefers kibble or moist food. Some progress toward this level of decision making is being accomplished, but such progress is very slow and nowhere near the projections of anyone. Nonetheless, once we achieve "dog", maybe work our way up to "primate". "Human" is still a long way away.
Nature took millennia to increase intelligence in humans to the current state. I think it tremendously arrogant to think we can achieve those same results in a few decades. "Complex tasks" can take many forms, but are constantly being learned throughout lives: crawling, walking, talking, using tools, MAKING tools. The biggie that humans seem to excel, and other animals fail miserably, is recognizing time, alternate possibilities for the future, and deciding accordingly.
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A while back, there was an article about OpenWorm, which takes a similar point of view on the subject.
I believe the problem with using "natural emerging intelligence" as a classifier, is that we are inherently biased.
We assume there's something special about our brain, because the idea makes us feel good.
Evolution, to me, is a layman's way of saying that our cellular composition is dynamic, rather than static.
I'd argue that your brain is just one of the tools your cells rely on to avoid dying en masse on a cellular level.
I'd also argue that we have not really evolved a lot in the past 5000 years; instead, the concepts we share have evolved tremendously.
At the end of the day, our brain is only a set of neurons that can record and replay chemical patterns.
The concepts we share are broken down into words, which break down into chemical impulses, which we imperfectly repeat at some point further in time.
We rely on software when we need a sequence of functions that can be replayed perfectly.
If you take a step back, it seems like we place a lot of value in the act of storing and replaying patterns.
My hypothesis is that intelligence is an emergent property from the patterns we share, not the mechanism that stores it.
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... skype appends automatically always something like a smile. So also a message like "I'm very sorry that your relative xyz died" will look much more positive  
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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Just tried it; and it seems to be a "react" button, similar to a like. As if you want to like each message in an instant-chat..
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Don't get it. Ok, what I see is not really a big smile it is a smile (grayed out) right top of each message I send.
Anyway thanks for Response.
[Edit]
it is superfluous that MS/Skype adds any gestures.
lol, finally they add also  at the end...
... and then my example message becomes really dark
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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An extremely important feature in a one-on-one chat...
The new Skype is a disaster if you have to mix LTR and RTL languages... Or want to use Outlook address book... Or configure some aspects of the application (let say half of the options of Skype 7, would be a good start)...
The new Skype looks like a project at the end of the first year for a software engineer student... who had no tutor and was unable to decide if it is a chat application or a social site...
Yes... And one of the points of the meeting today was to find the replacement for Skype if, as Microsoft states, Skype 7 will stop working on the September 1st...
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
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And don't mention that all my Groups disapeard 
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: Yes... And one of the points of the meeting today was to find the replacement for Skype if, as Microsoft states, Skype 7 will stop working on the September 1st...
Yes, please. A peer-to-peer version that does not rely on a third-party server if possible.
When may we expect your first deliverable?
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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We use Skype for Business 2015
so far, not that bad.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Team and Skype for Business were two options mentioned...
(we have both via Microsoft Partner)
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
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I updated skype and teh experience was a complete disaster for a while.
They have changed so much that even when I got an incoming call, while in the past a popup box appeared with answer call icons now small icons at the top of the application light up which you click on to answer a call. It took me a while to see them when a call came through as I had to filter out all the other weirdness of the interface.
As for changing my settings - I have to click on my own picture to amend settings! Where on earth do these UI design and UX idiots get their ideas from?
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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imho, Skype is the poster-child for the mutilation of a useful application, used by millions, by an acquiring corporation ... to such a degree that it is kind of a bad joke ... compared to its original form.
Did I mention that it sucks ?
cheers, Bill
«... thank the gods that they have made you superior to those events which they have not placed within your own control, rendered you accountable for that only which is within you own control For what, then, have they made you responsible? For that which is alone in your own power—a right use of things as they appear.» Discourses of Epictetus Book I:12
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It's like the mom who was texting here daughter.
She thought LOL = Lots of Love...
And she wrote!
Grandma Died today.
LOL
The daughter, it turns out, did not take that as intended...
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It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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Do Cider drinkers listen to Scrumpy and Western music?
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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And do their cars have Apple Jacks?
(or is it iJacks?)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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plz send me sauce codez!
This internet thing is amazing! Letting people use it: worst idea ever!
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Beer drinkers like hopera (but trendy beer drinkers prefer hip hop).
Bacardi drinkers tend to go for rum 'n' bass, but true pirates are particularly partial to a bit of grog rock.
Lovers of white wine like hock 'n' roll but those who like red wine prefer rioja-billy.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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