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CodeWraith wrote: even the dumbest human driver has a few million years of evolution behind him
When that human driver happens to be a p***ed up 17 year old blasting out da G-funk at 110 dB whilst smoking a spliff, sending text messages and driving at faster-miles-per-hour past a school hoping to impress the girls, I'd question the value of the evolutionary input!
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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PeejayAdams wrote: I'd question the value of the evolutionary input!
Nope: "Evolution in action". 
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PeejayAdams wrote: I'd question the value of the evolutionary input!
Evolution usually works with trial and error... and there are a lot of darwin awarded people in the world. Pity is... they nowadays do find a partner in their wave length and increase the mess for one generation more
M.D.V. 
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Evolution is certainly a slow process.
Humans have evolved, at let's say a 20 year generation cycle, over countless millennia and aren't really up to much as yet.
Fruit flies evolve exponentially quicker than humans (more than a generation a day) and they're still pretty crap at anything that doesn't involve eating fruit and being gross.
Motorists have evolved over 5 or 6 generations and it's a wonder that there are any of them left to breed.
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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PeejayAdams wrote: they're still pretty crap at anything that doesn't involve eating fruit and being gross.
But they are REALLY excellent at eating fruit and being gross.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Yes, in fairness, you have to give them that! 
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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Actually, evolution workks just fine when he wraps his car and himself around the tree at the next bend in the road.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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CodeWraith wrote: that even the dumbest human driver has a few million years of evolution behind him. How can they think to play better in the same league with x hours of training and 'testing'?
Those same ones that managed 19,000 deaths and 2.3 million injuries in just the US in the first 6 months of 2015?
I am guessing there is quite a bit of wiggle room between 1 and 2.3 million for it to play with.
Not to mention of course that all of that evolution has lead to people attempting to text, make phone calls, yelling at the other people in the car, getting high (in the car), eating, putting on makeup and even sometimes putting on their clothes (someone told me they use to change while driving down the a relatively busy and high speed street all the time.) Pretty sure a computer will not be doing most of that.
U.S. Traffic Deaths, Injuries and Related Costs Up in 2015[^]
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Thank the great Ghu I will be living in a semi rural area where self driving cars will not be the norm in my life time - I enjoy driving.
I recently drove a 9 seat merc bus through 1/3 metre fresh snow on a goat trail my son called a short cut around Gap (southern France). The only indication I was still on the road was either the guard rail or the cliff on the other, top speed approx 15kph, I loved it but is scared the crap out of the passengers.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Doesn't sound like Singapore... you leaving/left?
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I have been promising myself I'd retire for the last 3 years, this year I finish up in August and return to Oz.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: I have been promising myself I'd retire for the last 3 years, this year I finish up in August and return to Oz.
I can already hear a pub calling our names.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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I read that this was an erratic accident where even a human driver could not avoid the damages.
And I also read that a 9 year old boy shot his 13 year old sister from backwards in head because she has taken his game console controller. 
Press F1 for help or google it.
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OriginalGriff wrote: And we know who the passenger was, don't we
MOM? Is that you? 
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While this event is obviously tragic will this spawn a new genre on Utube "Crazy driveless videos"?
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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And so with little alarm or concern the robot revolution started... 
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I disagree - I'd ban manually driven vehicles from motorways in a shot, and start banning them from city centres fairly soon.
Think about it: a driverless car is never pissed, stoned, asleep, reading a newspaper, (or in extreme cases having sex). Never unlicensed, angry, suicidal, distracted by the kids in the back, maintaining eye contact with the passenger while having a conversation, or diving into the glove box to change the music. All of which I have seen, and probably you as well. Probably we've both done some of 'em as well. 
Road deaths don't amount to much compared to the "Big Killers" of heart disease, cancer, and respiratory problems - but they are nearly all preventable. And the weakest link in all motoring related accidents is ... the driver. He or she will be removed from the equation, probably within the next twenty years. And it will be for the best as well, regarless of how much fun I have had while driving! 
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OriginalGriff wrote: never pissed, stoned, asleep, reading a newspaper, (or in extreme cases having sex).
I'm ashamed to say I've done 3 out of those 5 in the past.
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And I am ashamed to admit to the the first three as well: all on motorcycles, and the first two combined on far too many occasions. In my defence, I was young and very, very stupid ... I worked out recently that every time I rode a bike for over ten years, I would probably have failed a breath test just from the booze I had drunk the night before.
The "falling asleep on a motorcycle" one was my first foreign trip - I left work at 5 on Friday, and drove to Geneva to see my girlfriend. About 2 or 3AM on those long straight French roads it felt like the road level dropped by three of four inches. Ignored it, happened again. And again ... Finally realised I was falling asleep, letting go of the throttle and the sudden engine braking woke me up...
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Sh*t if that counts as falling asleep I've done 4. Probably 5 although I don't remember reading a Newspaper.
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This being a tragic event does not make the tech will never be a success. Several accidents happened in the early days of air transportation. Now it is the safest way to travel (still piloted by hoomans tough). The tech is in a primitive stage and will improve after such disasters. After all hoomans learn only when the disaster has struck.
I am not the one who knocks. I never knock.
In fact, I hate knocking.
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Considering how many human drivers are knowingly reckless on the road, the argument's a wash. However, let's assume that somehow the AI is perfected and has a good fuzzy-logic add in, to boot.
My fear is more persistent: Hackers. Also, remote control of the vehicle by "legal" means and without my control. These are more inevitable fearsome consequences.
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Sounds like suicide-by-self-driving-car -- that'll be a thing, like jumping in front of a train.
Oh, and the blasted things are all over the place in this area. And they're pretty obvious, so if you want to off yourself with one it must be pretty easy, though I won't test that theory.
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And, the Self-drive Uber car attendant is... a FELON. Bank robbery. So much for Uber doing background checks.
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The best way to bring a Mac to its knees is to run Windows on it.
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