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Mike Barthold wrote: But I *do* like the day AFTER VD
You like Venereal Disease?
Just who are you giving Valentines card to!
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..and you also get 90% off christmas trees.
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Got it installed yesterday. So far, it has been good. I clicked on icon and it opened pretty quickly! Faster than 2015 I observed.
I haven't done anything else on it yet.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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Everything is better!
And then... you try to make an UWP or Xamarin app... and it's slow again! 
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Did not select both the options while install. 
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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Ha well, safe then!
Those are good options though! 
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I was thinking to start playing around wiwith xamarin in Vs 2017
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I've tried it (Xamarin in VS2017) - it isn't too bad imo. Most pseudo-native app development platforms are pretty slow compared to their native counterparts anyways.
There's often a significant productivity boost from a dev's perspective (you can get more done faster), but it comes at the cost of more obscure edge-case bugs, limited functionality, and/or runtime speed impacts in the shipped product.
Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A.
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Well.. i have kicked off the installation with Workloads Xamarin, .NET Core
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Don't worry, it's good. And with a bit of work you can make snappy multiplatform app.
I have 3 gorgeous and snappy phone (iPhone + Android) under my belt from my previous work! So it's true! 
But the dev experience can be frustrating every now and then.... I guess it's quite better that it used to be hey?
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yeah, i am hoping that it would be not that much bad experience, as i want to get some hands-on Xamarin and then would blog some useful tutorials, and may be able to make some useful cool utility app 
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After the initial install, VS 2017 gives you an initial "honeymoon" period in which everything works perfectly.
Behind the scenes, it is using (as yet unannounced, rumored to be of North Korean origin) biological and neurological monitoring and telemetry to construct your psychic profile.
Then, after it has assessed your weaknesses, it administers the killing bite.
Just like Windows 10.
cheers, Bill
«... thank the gods that they have made you superior to those events which they have not placed within your own control, rendered you accountable for that only which is within you own control For what, then, have they made you responsible? For that which is alone in your own power—a right use of things as they appear.» Discourses of Epictetus Book I:12
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Wow, Bill, you obviously have some insider knowledge, we can see! 
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Tin foil hat to rescue!
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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BillWoodruff wrote: Then, after it has assessed your weaknesses, it administers the killing bite.
What does it do? Will you wake up one morning with Kimie's famous hairstyle?
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
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Have you noticed North Korean's are all really skinny, well all except one.
... or is it just that hairstyle that makes him look fat well fed?
(PC does apply in NK, but only when referencing the Kims)
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Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A.
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Hmm, I guess both Windows 10 and VS2017 on my systems must be broken. They never give me problems.
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@richardmaccutchan Well, let's see:
1. started the day with the win 10 taskbar at the bottom of the screen squnched down where the icons were not visible: re-booting did not change this ... could not re-size it, or change it by moving to the right, left, top, and then back to the bottom of the screen. after installing the latest win 10 patch: it is restored.
2. since about 4 win 10 patches ago, I cannot adjust the screen brightness in the usual way, or by using the Lenovo hot-keys. given my serious vision problems ... the reason i purchased this high-end laptop ... this is a real problem.
VS 2017:
0. the notification for "optimizing" start-up times keeps appearing no matter how many times I select to permanently disable it. i reported this to MS: their response was: "sent to triage"
1. today I started a WinForm control library project, added a Component which I set to inherit from TreeView ... then, I added a WinForm app project to test the component in.
somehow, with standard debug build settings ... and no references to anything web ... within five minutes i could no longer compile: with the error message that the UserControl preview window whatever could not be loaded from some web namespace. had to rebuild a fresh solution.
no amount of fiddling withe build settings, and re-building.cleaning cycles would fix this. 2nd. tome this happened, and never happened before VS 2017.
If I could make up the various nightmares I've had, and my friends have had, I'd be writing for Hollywood
«... thank the gods that they have made you superior to those events which they have not placed within your own control, rendered you accountable for that only which is within you own control For what, then, have they made you responsible? For that which is alone in your own power—a right use of things as they appear.» Discourses of Epictetus Book I:12
modified 16-Feb-18 4:18am.
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lw@zi wrote: I clicked on icon and it opened pretty quickly
Wow, did we really lower our expectations to that point ? If so, we will be surprised by VS2019 if it starts at all.
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I had approx. half a million windows open in the middle of some gnarly stuff and popped downstairs to grab a bite. I come back and my machine is freshly rebooted after a windows update.
I stopped pressing Ctrl+S after every keystroke years ago. I think it's a bit sad we're now being trained to start doing it again.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Now I use to disable Windows Update service and only reactivate it twice or three times a year, when I know I will have time to actually install updates.
Having a Lenovo laptop, I also disable Lenovo system update; they tend to change the system management console at each update, and everytime some functionality is lost in the process... Quite upsetting.
"I'm neither for nor against, on the contrary." John Middle
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Well, Glad (but not, also Sorry for you Chris), but you finally got the wrap of this! ONCE! Happens frequently world wide! Windows Update causes world wide havoc! Mainly to the little people who realise that their computer overnight stops working. They have no websites like yourself, they are being ripped off! Millions of computer repair shops, world wide! They tell customers that their computers are dead and gone, people buy a new computer, and, the 'Broken' Computer is sold down the chain, updated, for a profit to the Middle Man. The cause of this all is Inadequate Update procedures by Microsoft, in particular when it comes to OEM OS versions.
I think it is high time that a Veil is being lifted here!
Bram
Bram van Kampen
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I have had to start saving a lot recently because the linux box I am using is crashing apps and itself so much that I am comparing it to Windows 95.
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Run W10 in VM. Disconnect network while doing important stuff. Test stuff on another VM if network required. Connect only if you don't mind, or do want updates.
Viola!
User: Technical term used by developers. See Idiot.
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