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If anyone ever bets you something you can be assured that it's heavily in his favor.
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I bet that you are right! Wanna challenge me for a ![Beer | [beer]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/beer.gif) ?
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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So that's why I mostly lose at poker!
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Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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When developers hear the word union, they usually think of SQL. Programmers know SQL unions well, but, given the hours of unpaid overtime they put in, why don’t they know more about labor unions? "Stand up, stand and unite. It's time for a general strike."
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I don't want a union because the last thing I need to do is give some guy my money that just sits around doing nothing but demanding my employer give higher pay and better benefits. That's my job.
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The age of the unions is over. They served their purpose.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: The age of the unions is over. They served their purpose.
Not in every country - we need new unions though because the old ones sold out and regularly trample over the rights we have obtained together with the employers.
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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In that case, the fourty-hour workweek is also "over".
Unions are the only thing that protects the employee, and very valuable for keeping unskilled work from becoming slave-work. These people can be threathened in their jobs, and they need that protection from abuse of power that arises from them being very replaceable.
I do not need that protection. Anyone giving me their keys to their computer will need to trust me. There's no way you can threathen me on the job - if you think you can find someone better to do it, by all means, be my guest. Do consider that I may not hang around and may be occupied when you get back 
I simply don't need a union.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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was anarchist (lib-soc primarily) for 26 years.
my spouse is a delegate for our local chapter of IWW.
I support workers who desire to organized. But I also know that unions, given the NLRA and Taft-Hartley restrictions especially, cannot hope to compete with multinationals. It would require cross industry strikes and secondary boycotts (that last one being explicitly illegal in the US)
I was also a software developer for years. Headhunters at least offer some pushback against employers. There's some degree of "organizing on my behalf" at the recruiter level. Meaning an outfit like RhoTec or Excell Data can negotiate salary and benefits on my behalf. I also recognize that such a model is not without its problems, having faced them at many points. And ultimately they're in it for the outfit, not me as an individual, but also ultimately business unions (as opposed to a true workers union) already operate that way.
Workers' best hope in the long term is automation and AI pushing workers and even developers out of the labor pool.
Because global western capitalism at this point has concentrated over half the worlds wealth under the control of less than 80 people. The only way to defeat such a power imbalance is to let it eat itself.
Automation will exit the consumer pool from the labor force. Robots and software don't draw a salary, but they also don't buy much (even counting maintenance and energy costs)
Meaning automation (even of development) will make capitalism *at least as it exists now in globalized west) ultimately obsolete.
The wealthy once they both control the means of production, and all of labor, will find nobody (or at least not enough) consumers left who are in a position to buy their goods. Because few people have jobs anymore.
Requiring them ultimately to either go broke, or give dividends of the automation back to everyone else for "free" (using the term loosely), just to keep the whole cycle moving.
That's not to say there won't be a lot of pain among displaced former employees as this happens. But it either moves away from the capitalist/consumer model or it just collapses like a flan in a cupboard once there are not enough viable consumers to maintain the producers.
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All unions do is spread trouble and misery. It's refreshing to at least see someone admit it.
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We may not have a union but at least we have class .
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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unions get undermined with politicans and ideological hardliners which want to use their positions to get power and money.
I dont wanna be a part of unions like the Teamsters. In the USA the mafia had or has influence on the unions.
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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I used to work at a paper mill as a developer - salaried, not hourly/union.
There were two unions: paper makers and maintenance; over time, the maintenance union joined with a larger union and became a local chapter - they gave up their autonomy.
Before I left the paper mill, the union representing the maintenance employees had come under the banner of the Teamsters. So... someone sitting in Chicago had to review the offer and approve it BEFORE the people on site in South Carolina could even see it to determine if they liked it or not.
So... no, I have less than no desire to part of a union. As a professional, I choose to negotiate my own package.
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A programmer's union would probably be coded in an open source blockchain with a "codedollar" cryptocurrency and forked thousands of times because everyone thinks they have a better contract.
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Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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Attacker has generated about $2,000 in digital coin so far in a scam that remains active. Hacking iPhones just don't make enough coin these days?
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I'm hoping to do my first ICO next week. Its called counterfeitcoin. Should be big.
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Black hole believed to be 4 times more massive than sun Stop playing with your food!
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Stop playing with your food. - That's funny.
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Hold your team’s would-be hero in check, and other practical lessons for managers. Spoilers!
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That's much better than the management drivel the e-mags love to write about. Oh wait... 
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Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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The new artificial intelligence technology under development in Microsoft’s research labs is programmed to pay close attention to individual words when generating images from caption-like text descriptions. "I want you to draw me like one of your French girls."
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How do we ensure that AI is designed and used responsibly? How do we establish ethical principles to protect people? How should we govern its use? And how will AI impact employment and jobs? Read it now, to get on the AI's good side later
But hey, free book
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I find security much more important than speed. We need invulnerable software systems, and we need them today, even if they are ten times slower than our current systems. Tomorrow we can start working on making them faster. If everything wasn't getting hacked, then what news could I post?
"Ten years after the launch of qmail 1.0, and at a time when more than a million of the Internet’s SMTP servers ran either qmail or netqmail, only four known bugs had been found in the qmail 1.0 releases, and no security issues."
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The best path to secure code is to ensure nobody has even heard of it, let alone used it.
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I think qmail has succeeded there (although I've never looked for an SMTP server)
TTFN - Kent
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