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Chris Losinger wrote: and that has literally f***-all to do with the amount of sunlight different latitudes get.
In that case your post has, to use your terminology, literally f*** all to do with global warming. If your post was about sunlight.
Chris Losinger wrote: plants use the amount of sunlight to regulate their own seasonal growing cycles
So this is an act initiated by the plants is it? A conscious choice, to use as much sun as they need in order to regulate their growing cycles, lest they grow too much or too little?
Or is this just you throwing some words together in an attempt to try to look clever?
But we aren't talking bout growing cacao in the arctic circle are we. We are talking about a plant, that currently inhabits a region from mexico to the amazon basin, being able to adapt to a small change in temperature (in fact a very small change, as demonstrated), by extending its range from many thousands of miles either side of the equator by another few hundred.
Are you really suggesting this isnt possible?
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
In that case your post has, to use your terminology, literally f*** all to do with global warming.
it's about your idiotic misrepresentation of what the cacao growing issue is really about.
yes, it's grown in a lot of places - all tropical. if the temps in the tropics get too hot for cacao, we might not be able to grow it anywhere else because plant habitat is not simply about max temperature.
Munchies_Matt wrote: A conscious choice
ah, you're as dishonest as you are stupid.
duly noted!
moving on.
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Chris Losinger wrote: it's about your idiotic misrepresentation of what the cacao growing issue is really about.
So the article wasn't about global warming (driven by CO2 of course) and the ability of the cacao plant to adapt, or not, to that warming?
Care to provide a link to just what it was you WERE reading?
Chris Losinger wrote: we might not be able to grow it anywhere else because plant habitat is not simply about max temperature.
How about London? cacao plant growing in london - Google Search[^]
I have already given you data that shows the tropics arent warming anyway, now you have data that shows the plant already inhabits a vast range either side of the equator, and can even grown, exceptionally, in the UK.
Yes, 'might' is the operative word in your sentence.
What odds are you putting on your 'might' actually happening? (particularly given mankinds ability to husband crops).
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Keep a lookout for risks to the coffee crops - I shudder to think of the consequences were the worlds potable caffeine source be disrupted.
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They will probably grow it in Spain, like everything else: [^]
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I would have suggested California - but the re-purposing of cultivated land, there, will probably go to another popular crop.
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Does it have enough water? Thats the problem in CA, well, lets say it does, but not in the south. It is actually mismanaged, but then the US is in general. Why the Columbia river isnt tapped to feed the south is beyond me, a canal a few hundred miles long? The French built one in the 17th century!
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Let's go underground and grow it in a lab and sell it on the streets for a huge profit when that happens. You think cocaine is hot commodity... frak that... chocolate is where it's at.
Jeremy Falcon
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I wonder if there are any government grants available to promote preservation of these irreplaceable plants? I've got 20 acres available...
Will Rogers never met me.
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Hi,
Has anyone else experienced this a lack of supervising adults... Don't 'they' know it's dangerous to leave us a lone/unsupervised...
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It's got spam (an religion too)
Subject: x, please add me to your LinkedIn network...
Good day to you, my name is blah-blah, please kindly contact me back through my email address because I have an urgent proposal for you, God be with you
[ blah-blah-at-gmail.com ]
I've not touched my linkedin for years since about the time ms took over but not because of that more because it seemed to become all about people pinning medals on their own chests.
Signature ready for installation. Please Reboot now.
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Are you saying I should not follow the crown prince of Dubai just because LinkedIn suggested so? No way...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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I've boycotted LinkedIn because I think it's pretty sleazy to just go on like nothing happened after Chester Bennington died.
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GenJerDan wrote: I've boycotted LinkedIn because I think it's pretty sleazy to just go on like nothing happened after Chester Bennington died.
That's not true. He didn't die, the cowardly faarrrkkkk killed himself and left his kids with no father.
Should be bought back to life just so he can be tortured.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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The conspiracy section of my brain wonders why two guys who had started pushing against pedophiles suddenly decided to kill themselves/get into autoerotic hanging, i.e. Chester and Chris Cornell.
Highly doubtful they were killed, but I wouldn't feel even a tiny glimmer of surprise if it eventually came out that they were.
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Lopatir wrote: it seemed to become all about people pinning medals on their own chests.
Isn't that the very definition of social media?
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Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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Quote: Isn't that the very definition of social media? You nailed it, Bro!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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it's the foundation of human interactions
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In 1979, I was a student, buying 308 kbyte, 8 inch, floppy disk at NOK 40 (roughly USD 5) apiece.
Considering inflation, that would be NOK 164 today, or NOK 532 per Mbyte.
Today, I bought myself another 32 GByte USB memory stick at NOK 112, or NOK 0,0034 per Mbyte.
So, today I get 156 617 times the amount of storage space per buck than I got as a student.
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The first hard disk I bought was a 32MB hard card (the disk was mounted on a IDE controller card) for an Amstrad 1640, and it cost me £400 - around 1/3rd of a months take home pay - back in 1986 or so. That was about the same as I paid for the whole computer!
Now, I use 32GB SD cards for music and dashcam in my car, and they cost me around £10 each - and the access time is several orders of magnitude higher: 90MB/sec compared with 32MB in several hours...
So go figure: in modern terms that would be £1200 ~ £1500 for 32MB: £42 per MB, against £0.0005 per MB today... And I doubted I would ever fill it
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Member 7989122 wrote: I get 156 617 times the amount of storage space per buc
You should also look at speed as a parameter.
Speed has improved drastically and new storage options provide data much faster now.
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Member 7989122 wrote: So, today I get 156 617 times the amount of storage space per buck than I got as a student.
True, but the bits value of what the bits store seems to have decreased in value as well.
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Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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My thought as well.
But then again: Those JPGs (or 256 color GIFs) files that we had on our 308 kbyte eight-inchers (that was actually a proprietary format - IBM stored only 256 kbyte on them) filled out that 14 inch CRT screen. If you display that same image file on a modern screen, the picture is no larger than a small dialog box with a single "Click OK to continue" button.
Somehow, those images has shrunk a lot over the years. Not by a factor of 156 617, though.
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Member 7989122 wrote: Today, I bought myself another 32 GByte USB memory stick at NOK 112, or NOK 0,0034 per Mbyte. On top of that, we use about 150K times the amount of space for the same info.
Jeremy Falcon
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The bad part of it is tha you don't even have to add a smiley ...
In my student days, we ran a fully conformant ISO Pascal, requiring 17 k words, i.e. 34 kbytes,
on a 16-bit minicomputer. That left 47 kword (94 kbytes) for the runtime data structures during compilation - enough space for the compiler to compile itself. (Luckily, the OS had its own set of page tables.)
When installing Visual Studio 2017, I left out modules I certainly won't be using. The size on disk of what I need, C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio and C:\Program Data\Microsoft\VisualStudio, is roughly 7 GBytes, or 200,000 times larger.
Of course: That minicomputer Pascal was a bare bones command line thing. You can find similar bare bones compilers that are not 200,000 times larger - you don't even have to go to Linux for that. We could survive without all those add-ons (like some people do survive in a CLI-only Linux world, using cat 0 > myprog.pas to enter a Pascal source code file ). But we "want" it, just the way we want animated icons and bouncing paper clips ... Well, at least someone must have wanted that bouncing paper clip .
The difference between Pascal and C# isn't that big, essentially we got the same thing in the old days. Nah, OO is not that essential: My first programming professor taught us to define RECORD types to hold all the properties of an object, make sets of FUNCTIONs and PROCEDUREs as the only way to access the properties of those records. All functions/procedures should take a record instance as the first argument. When OO was later invented, all we did was moving the record name from the start of the parameter list to in front of the function name. Pure syntactical sugar. We did OO programming with that 34 kbyte Pascal compiler without knowing it...
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