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Slacker0074-Dec-17 21:39

Slacker007

4-Dec-17 21:39

What ever you are smoking, pass it over to me. Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

Mycroft Holmes4-Dec-17 22:05

Mycroft Holmes

4-Dec-17 22:05

I look forward to moving back to a country that does not throw you in jail for smoking that stuff.

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH

Cornelius Henning5-Dec-17 0:37

Cornelius Henning

5-Dec-17 0:37

There's no law against smoking your socks! Laugh | :laugh:

(Sorry Jeremy - I'll get my coat.)

Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

modified 5-Dec-17 6:46am.

Jeremy Falcon5-Dec-17 5:26

5-Dec-17 5:26

Jeremy Falcon

Jeremy Falcon5-Dec-17 5:34

5-Dec-17 5:34

There will always some sort of substance that's controlled. If it's not weed, it's something else. We as humans need stuff to argue about... saves us from being bored and actually having to study apparently. People need an escape... whether it's entertainment, weed, booze, pr0n, cocaine, TV, or whatever. Some people need this escape so bad that all rational conversation is left out of it in my experience.

That being said, regardless of the taboo du jour, I do think a natural high is the best one. Substances are a pale comparison to doing life correctly and living on a natural high. And by natural I mean a hormonally induced, internal high.

Jeremy Falcon

BillWoodruff5-Dec-17 0:15

BillWoodruff

5-Dec-17 0:15

Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Especially since the alternative is death.

Have you tried it ? What if it turned out to be the ultimate smile ?

«While I complain of being able to see only a shadow of the past, I may be insensitive to reality as it is now, since I'm not at a stage of development where I'm capable of seeing it.» Claude Levi-Strauss (Tristes Tropiques, 1955)

dandy725-Dec-17 2:31

dandy72

5-Dec-17 2:31

You might be on to something. I've never heard of anyone actually coming back and complaining about it.

Jeremy Falcon5-Dec-17 5:27

5-Dec-17 5:27

Ha. And while this may be true, I'm in no hurry to find out. Besides, we have all our deaths to be dead. May as well enjoy the ride to get there.

Jeremy Falcon

ZurdoDev5-Dec-17 2:30

ZurdoDev

5-Dec-17 2:30

Something in the Lounge worth reading. Well done. Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.

There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

Jeremy Falcon5-Dec-17 5:25

5-Dec-17 5:25

Thanks man. And of course... Happy Festivus!

Jeremy Falcon

CRLF is Wrong???

i004-Dec-17 14:15

i00

4-Dec-17 14:15

I always knew that the CRLF came from Carriage Return and Line Feed from the days of the electronic typewriters ... but never really thought about it logically until today...

In the days of electronic typewriters a Line Feed would be followed by a Carriage Return to move the line down and the return the carriage to the start of the line I have [B]never[/B] seen a typewriter do it the other way around... so why is this reversed in computing?? ... even the enter character symbol ↵ implies that the Line Feed should be done first!...

I even looked up YouTube videos to double check ... and sure enough the LineFeed is done first Smile | :)

Any thoughts Poke tongue | ;-P

?? ... Do people agree that logically it should be done the other way around (although I would be against that since I have been conditioned to do it the other way)??

Kris

PIEBALDconsult4-Dec-17 14:22

PIEBALDconsult

4-Dec-17 14:22

And?

(Later...)

As we're talking about computing history, also consider FORTRAN -- what did it use? As I recall the first character (or was it two?) on a line indicated what to do after the Carriage Return.

The discussions always allude to which system you're on, but then only mention Windows, Apple, and UNIX -- which leaves out OpenVMS, which is like totally flexible!
You want CR? You got it.
You want LF? You got it.
You want Fortran? You got it.
You want Fixed format? What size?

Also, in one of the posts someone pointed to, I saw this:

Someone wrote:
it was often the "style" to have normal print lines begin with Line Feed and end with Carriage Return

That's how I prefer to read "lines" from text files -- so I know I got the whole thing.

modified 4-Dec-17 21:19pm.

jschell5-Dec-17 13:32

jschell

5-Dec-17 13:32

PIEBALDconsult wrote:
As I recall the first character (or was it two?) on a line indicated what to do after the Carriage Return.

As I recall...

Punch cards probably varied but the first 6 chars were for the line number. Then the continuation character in the 7th position. And it was on the line that was continuing, not on the first line.

Jeremy Falcon4-Dec-17 14:28

4-Dec-17 14:28

Wow, never really thought about it. Turns out that SO knows everything though...

Order of carriage return and new line feed[^]

Jeremy Falcon

Peter_in_27804-Dec-17 16:07

Peter_in_2780

4-Dec-17 16:07

Having cut my teeth on teleprinters (Yes, I have stripped an ASR-33[^] and reassembled it from a bucket of sheet metal stampings Blush | :O

) I can tell you that CRLF is right, LFCR is wrong.
The reason for this is that the carriage return is SLOW. But it can be overlapped with the paper feed.
Back in the day, most software would output "CR LF PAD PAD" to be safe.
It took a bit of tuning of the dashpot to get an ASR-33 carriage to have finished bouncing with just CR LF <first character="" on="" the="" new="" line="">, but it could be done.
The Siemens equivalent (which made a sexy purring noise, unlike the skeletons-copulating-on-a-tin-roof of the model 33) needed the pads, otherwise the first character of the next line would print "somewhere", generally blurred as the carriage was moving.

Cheers,
Peter

Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012

Mycroft Holmes4-Dec-17 16:49

Mycroft Holmes

4-Dec-17 16:49

Peter_in_2780 wrote:
unlike the skeletons-copulating-on-a-tin-roof

I play clash of clans (skeletons are one of the participants) and I am not going to be able to get that image out of my head. Hordes of skeletons racing at each other and start shagging AAaaaaaahhhhhhh

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH

Peter_in_27804-Dec-17 17:28

Peter_in_2780

4-Dec-17 17:28

Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012

Pete O'Hanlon4-Dec-17 20:59

Pete O'Hanlon

4-Dec-17 20:59

I never knew that boning had such a literal meaning.

Mycroft Holmes4-Dec-17 23:31

Mycroft Holmes

4-Dec-17 23:31

Groan...

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH

Lockwood4-Dec-17 23:36

Lockwood

4-Dec-17 23:36

A whole new meaning to the term "boning"

kmoorevs5-Dec-17 5:15

kmoorevs

5-Dec-17 5:15

Thanks for this excellent explanation! Smile | :)

"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

dandy725-Dec-17 5:52

dandy72

5-Dec-17 5:52

Peter_in_2780 wrote:
skeletons-copulating-on-a-tin-roof

Made my day. Big Grin | :-D

jschell5-Dec-17 13:35

jschell

5-Dec-17 13:35

Peter_in_2780 wrote:
The reason for this is that the carriage return is SLOW. But it can be overlapped with the paper feed.

Seems like I recall hearing an explanation like that.

From experience I know LF is 'fast'. Fast enough that one could make the paper basically shoot up like a fountain from the TTY33. Operators really loved it when the users discovered that and how to send messages to the operators.

Peter_in_27805-Dec-17 13:52

Peter_in_2780

5-Dec-17 13:52

Yeah, FF (form feed) and VT (vertical tab) could spit paper fast. The basis of several pranks.

Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012