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Hi Eddy, This reminds me of one of my father's favorite sayings: "three hots and a flop:" his generation, born circa ~1920, the children of parents often ruined in the great depression of the 1930's, who (in my father and his brothers' cases) had this "survival mantra" hard-coded into them via bible, and hickory-switch (whippings), and Horatio Alger stories.
«While I complain of being able to see only a shadow of the past, I may be insensitive to reality as it is now, since I'm not at a stage of development where I'm capable of seeing it.» Claude Levi-Strauss (Tristes Tropiques, 1955)
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That's a good summary of life itself - we are after all, just combinations of four bits, trying to keep that combination going.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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BillWoodruff wrote: the children of parents often ruined in the great depression of the 1930's
Hmm. My grandparents survived the Great Depression (always capitalized in my house) through a combination of hard work and an ingrained distrust of others (banks and stock brokers) managing their money. At one point their assets were conserved in farm land, machine shop equipment, and a large gun collection. Their children were instilled with a survival ethos and work ethic that lives on to this day in my 80-year-old mother and to a somewhat lesser extent myself and my daughter. That ethos is often disrespected today, but there will be a need for people like us eventually.
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PeejayAdams wrote: watching cat videos and not wondering where it all went wrong.
FTFY
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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Sounds more like public school education in 2017. 
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Marc Clifton wrote: Sounds more like public school education in 2017
That is scary !
Perhaps I should revise the story so that the "children," as they file out, are each given a new iPhone100 ?
«While I complain of being able to see only a shadow of the past, I may be insensitive to reality as it is now, since I'm not at a stage of development where I'm capable of seeing it.» Claude Levi-Strauss (Tristes Tropiques, 1955)
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BillWoodruff wrote: new iPhone100
Given your story, I would think their cerebral cortex would be an iPhone100.
Software Zen: delete this;
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How about everything being exactly the same as now (and has been, since Kingdoms of Egypt and Roman Empire). With generally better goods and services, more pleasant consumerism, and fewer people living in poverty. With an exception of parts of the hopeless continent that have not been re-colonized yet, and the European Union because it never really recovered from the Bankruptcy ... some 15 years from today.
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Bill, have you been hanging out in bars with Harlan Ellison again? You know when he has too much to drink he starts reciting "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream"[^].
Software Zen: delete this;
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Hi Gary, unless there's a soy-milk bar, you won't find me hanging. That's a favorite Ellison story, btw.
«While I complain of being able to see only a shadow of the past, I may be insensitive to reality as it is now, since I'm not at a stage of development where I'm capable of seeing it.» Claude Levi-Strauss (Tristes Tropiques, 1955)
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And the sequel begins with the super computers arguing...
But EVERYTHING is predictable. Everything is known.
From birth to death, there are no surprises. Even the bodies that fail, we know.
We can predict with certainty.
And therefore, nothing changes...
As they have argued for a millenium before... But this time was different. There was a bomb.
And the explosion was a singularity, and the machines were all gone, but the universe experienced another Big Bang, as it experienced the prior Big Bang, and every Big Bang before.
Nobody understands why the simulations of universes and people always do this, but they always seem to take the computer out of the equation to see what the biologics will create. It is always different, and yet somehow asymptotically approaches the same point, before it starts again!
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I always enjoyed baguettes!
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up-voted for best non sequitur on the thread 
«While I complain of being able to see only a shadow of the past, I may be insensitive to reality as it is now, since I'm not at a stage of development where I'm capable of seeing it.» Claude Levi-Strauss (Tristes Tropiques, 1955)
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It seems he deleted the account, or was he kicked? I enjoyed his pearls of wisdom!
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Not sure, but for me it Looks like he is now CodeWraith ?
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I don't know, but maybe somebody mentioned the war? 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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Nah.He is so small and shy that he was probably scared away by bullies.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
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I was looking at some Solar Energy stuff.
The question in my mind: Can these systems truly power the common residence today ?
I'm thinking, it's easily conceivable that the normal home today can be running these appliances all at once; particularly in the late afternoon and evening...
- Washer
- Dryer
- Stove
- Oven
- Microwave
- Water Heater
- HVAC (in all its variations)
- Computers
- TVs
- Vacuum Cleaner(s)
- Refrigerators and Freezers
...and I'm sure my list is incomplete.
I'm wondering (and asking those who have electrically minded brains which are superior to my own) is the extant 120 Volt grid a factor in all this ?
I just bought a bunch of LED replacement lightbulbs last month. My guess is that, bang for the buck, the point of max economy today is about 80 or 90 Lumens Per Watt.
(I welcome correction on that figure; it's based on my observation of a local grocery store's shelves.)
Now then, if we can get 85 Lumens per watt from these new fangled bulbs, and if we can get a solar system that delivers lower voltage (e.g. 12 volts; whatever) yet higher current (big "ifs",,, I know) then do I have a workable science turned business model ?
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There are quite a few videos on YouTube to watch to get you started.
A LiIon battery pack is the best way to go. Also its better to use series connections for batteries and solar panels and go for a 36v, 48v or even higher DC system to keep the current lower, its more efficient that way.
MPPT charge controllers are very efficient at higher voltages, and depending on how much you spend you can get a lot watts out of the system.
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With 12VDC instead of 120VAC with a constant P(consumer) (which is almost realistic with modern switching PSUs) the required current rises by a factor of 10. Which means the voltage drop across the power line rises by a factor of 10. Which means the power loss across the power line rises by a factor of 100 (P = U*I -> P = R*I*I -> P = R*I²).
This is a bit simplified but good enough for illustration. Low voltage supply lines only make sense for either really small currents or really small distances. House supply is already too big, in both current and distance. In order to not turn the power line into the house heating unit you would have to increase its diameter considerably which is both expensive (copper) and unpractical in terms of installation.
If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
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Following that logic would 240VAC be better than 120VAC, Oz runs on 240 and I have always wondered why, other than we probably followed the UK standards.
I obviously know practically nothing about electricity, we installed solar and I only then found out the house we bought has 3 phase power and therefore I needed to know what the hell it is. Now I'm looking for and efficient 3 phase battery solution.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: Following that logic would 240VAC be better than 120VAC
It is, at least in this regard. That's also why the the power grid operates on an even higher voltage and only gets transformed down shortly before reaching the consumer.
Mycroft Holmes wrote: Now I'm looking for and efficient 3 phase battery solution.
No experience with that, sorry.
If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
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The 120 V makes sense if you can get 120 V appliances easily - like the OP in the US.
As for your 3 phase, it prolly means that a few of your machines run on it. Most machines (e.g. microwaves) and all lamps and household sockets are only connected to 2. Maybe an option in your case could be to leave the 3-phase-machines on the grid, and build 2 phase solar system for others. I never heard of a 3-phase-DC/AC-converter but 2-phase-ones are easily found.
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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You can get a reasonable lumpy DC supply from three phase with a suitable capacitor and that gives you the ability to run arc welders, lighting stantions (out door concert lights) all sort of big boy toys that you probably not want or need in your life, however a lumpy dc with near 100 amps means you could charge Tesla's with ease. Nice to have but you will pay over the odds to get kit that uses it safely keep with the safer more manageable 240v instead of 415v, you could use one phase for charging the battery pack, the other two for running the house. 
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Charging your home and your Tesla on solar? Only if your roof is big enough. 
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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