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Brent Jenkins wrote: good old days
Ha!
And you managed to tunnel out into the Lounge ... for what reason, now? In keeping with all my posts thus far today, I have to post this question. Why did you stop here? Keep tunneling on into the Soapbox.
(This is actually a veiled attempt to reiterate my plea to stop responding to SPAM in QA by posting anything that is a reaction. Again, my reason is two-fold. One, there is no reward in acknowledging a spam. Two, the whole forum, as you say, is becoming a queue for thumby nonsense which every doofuss with a spam agenda takes as being real decorum, thus humanizing the mindset.)
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new people join n need n instant fix to things....
Scared beyond belief way down in the shadows
And the perverted fear of violence
Chokes the smile on every face
And common sense is ringing out the bell
This ain't no technological breakdown
Oh no, this is the road to hell
And all the roads jam up with credit
And there's nothing you can do
It's all just bits of paper flying away from you
Oh look out world, take a good look
What comes down here
You must learn this lesson fast and learn it well
This ain't no upwardly mobile freeway
Oh no, this is the road
Said this is the road
This is the road to hell
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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I subscribe to the CodeProject daily newsletter (keep up the good work). In today's update, there was a link to an article, Why Every Developer Should Learn Javascript? [^]
In the article, there is a line "Where as most languages require a bit of knowledge and programming understanding, Javascript does not." Really? So, someone with no understanding whatsoever can open up a web page and start programming?
I'd love to use his website ...
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend; inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -- Groucho Marx
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Hooga Booga wrote: So, someone with no understanding whatsoever can open up a web page and start programming?
Try viewing the source of the websites you visit. I think you'll find that's precisely what's happening! 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Type* the following in your browser's navigation text box (where you normally type the URL):
javascript:alert(navigator.appName)<ENTER>
You are now a programmer even though *you* do not know anything.
You really did just program the computer but you have not had to learn anything. 
That's the power of JavaScript!!!
<ENTER> denotes the place where you press the <ENTER> key.
*you* is not you, but the person who knows nothing about programming. 
*NOTE: If you copy the code and paste it, then the browser will remove the important javascript: protocol and it won't work. It's a safety feature.
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Totally awesome.
As long as people think you're a ninja, then you are a ninja*. 
*Please replace _ninja_ with any other noun that you would like to be (engineer, dev, etc).
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How does your example differ from copy/paste of any other language (into an appropriate environment). If, for example, someone bought VS2017 and copied/pasted C# code, does that make them a programmer (as per your description)?
And it doesn't have to work. A bad programmer, but programmer non-the-less, by your scenario.
And a "Hello World!" to you, too!
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W∴ Balboos wrote: If, for example, someone bought VS2017 and copied/pasted C# code, does that make them a programmer (as per your description)?
No, that's a consultant 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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As I am no longer a consultant, + !
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No compiling. No special tools -- web browser is now an extension to the human. 
I mean if you have to install Visual Studio that's a pretty big deal and will preclude some from becoming developers. There should be no barriers to entry.
Yes, I'm being facetious.  As I was in my original post.
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...because it is easy to copy and paste code from the internet and call yourself a developer 
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); }
Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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Oi! What's wrong with that? I bin doin' it like that since 1980.
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Really? Hard to copy/paste on a VT100...
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Not to mention a minor difficulty on connecting to the WWW...
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It's a study in clumsiness, not a programming language. What would you need programming skills for?
But, as I can read in the same article, it can be used for most things you could use other languages for. Really? Why don't we just use those other languages and finally can do all things we used to do again?
Sounds a lot like the bragging of the PHP Hobbits. They also claimed to be able to do EVERYTHING with PHP. Only until you told them what they definitely could not do. Then PHP magically was not a programming language anymore, just a scripting language.
Why do those guys stumble from one useless interpreter to the next?
The user can't update the up: we update it for them (Choice in the CP poll)
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CodeWraith wrote: It's a study in clumsiness, not a programming language. What would you need programming skills for?
Precisely. 
CodeWraith wrote: Sounds a lot like the bragging of the PHP Hobbits.
Every article bragging about the awesomeness and omnipotence of a "certain programming language" ( ) is essetially someone's opinion.
Although in mine, the world is a better place without that language.
I am not the one who knocks. I never knock.
In fact, I hate knocking.
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From your post, I clearly ascertain that your favorite native programming language is Huberis++
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False. Only Project Management requires no skills at all.
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You are doomed mate. The pointy-haired boss will take your job.
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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"Put together by people with no skills" is not an argument that will compel me to visit a site.
Especially one that might require me to enter credit card details.
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This is it. I will be doing some C++ (Arduino) and Python (Raspberry Pi).
Some people flamed me for saying I didn't have time for some of those new programming management fads. They said I should work my ten hour days and then go home and study. Get a life. That is not me flaming back. It is an old man telling you that if all you have is work you really do need to get a life. You will not look back and say, "I wish I had spent more of my off hours trying to learn something that did not last a whole year." Even the great "Agile" is seldom implemented as the creators intended.
I was ordered to do Dot Net and that's what I had to do. So love it or hate it that's what I got paid to do. I did do some study on my own. I found classes to be useless. Mostly learning on the fly, and Google as needed got me through.
Luck with it code geeks.
Leadership equals wrecked ship.
If you think you are leading my look behind you. You are alone.
If you think I am leading you, You are lost.
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And don't forget to tell them where they can put all their rules, conventions, best practices and all the rest. For the revolution!
C++ sounds good. I'm coming.
The user can't update the up: we update it for them (Choice in the CP poll)
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Hear, hear, sounds like me talking, except I still have some years left before retirement 
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Ygnaiih wrote: I will be doing some C++ [...] I found classes to be useless.
Do you even RAII bro?
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