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raddevus wrote: delve
Ah, groodman!
raddevus wrote: Seems
Oh, know not these!
raddevus wrote: not
Uhnhuh, the burning marl (now with more S, U, and Re chunks); I steer, you steer, we all steer!
raddevus wrote: plan
Ooo, slavery? (thass bad)!
raddevus wrote: got
Well, at least he has a sense of humor!
raddevus wrote: Linux
Nope, slathering Bondo on some rust to which I've taken a wire brush with the hope that I've gotten enough shine on the metal present to impart a kind of morbid resignation on any of it that's hidden but is still picking up that ambience of olden days and at wit's end now should be just about giving up the ghost with a whimper ... today.
modified 6-Aug-17 15:45pm.
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You can do Linux application development just for fun, to fill like a real programmer  BTW, try Eclipse instead of CodeBlocks.
The real thing and real business is embedded Linux. This is tough, and you need to make a long way to understand something in this area. Good luck.
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I have done a lot of old style command line / daemon programming (make files and C/C++ compiler) and scripts (bash, perl).
That is what I would call "native Linux development".
I have also created a Qt application (direct video output; no window manager) for the Raspberry Pi using cross compilation (Ubuntu in Windows VM using QtCreator).
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raddevus wrote: Anyone else out there doing native Linux dev?
Not native; using Mono, WinForms and Visual Studio Code[^] for Linux.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Not native; using Mono, WinForms and Visual Studio Code[^] for Linux
Again, interesting, since that is the feel I get, that few devs do native Linux application dev.
It's probably the available tools and of course challenges of UI dev.
I downloaded two main apps on my Ubuntu installation:
Calibre (ebook reader - reads mobi, etc)
FileZilla : ftp transfer app
Both are very well done and have a look and feel similar to their windows counterparts.
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raddevus wrote: Again, interesting, since that is the feel I get, that few devs do native Linux application dev.
Windows Forms because it is recognizable by more users than the Gtk-look, and most devs are more versed in it.
Try building a native installer - if you have the time 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Yes, you are not alone.
However, no GUI developnment, so far.
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CPallini wrote: However, no GUI developnment, so far.
I was just looking at .NET Core and examining how cross-platform works there for creating an app on Linux.
I watched that 3 minute video and that is quite amazing:
Get Started with .NET Core[^]
However, again, this is for console apps. Very difficult to find anybody, anywhere talking about creating a desktop UI app for linux. I suppose most people use Java and Qt or tkinter or something.
Maybe Python and tkinter?
It's interesting that in many ways the desktop is going away and there is so much merge with Linux Windows now and yet the best way to get UI everywhere is still the browser. Yet there are a lot of limitations to what your app can do in the browser.
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No, I don't do desktop apps on Linux, but most often I see other programs using gtk+ or qt for the UI. The languages and approaches used on Linux are quite varied, and the latest app with GUI that I installed was Slic3r (for 3d printing), and it was written mostly in perl (!!!).
Otherwise, I have been exclusively using Linux at home since 2006-2007 timeframe and love it. I still do .net for work, but not willing to put up with the way Microsoft does their updates.
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Scott Serl wrote: been exclusively using Linux at home since 2006-2007 timeframe and love it
I've run various distros of Ubuntu over the years, but yesterday I spent the entire day with it attempting to do dev.
I normally run win10 and I have a MacMini (running latest sierra macOS)
I was absolutely amazed with Ubuntu with how similar it felt to the macOS.
I was also amazed that really everything I need (filezilla, Calibre (ebook reader), dev environment, etc) was available and installation was quite easy and as I said it runs quite well on this old laptop with only 2GB ram. amazing.
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We have two systems to upgrade starting at 11:00 PM tonight.
Most of the people involved in the process are remoting in and the person doing the actual upgrade is sharing their screen.
Not the way I wanted to spend a Saturday night... we hope to be done by 1:00 AM or so.
Why so late? Because one of the systems is collecting solar derived data from California and we have to wait until after sunset on the West coast....
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So you have company then?
Must be nice.
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There is a glut of people on... my role is more support; a co-worker is doing the upgrade. I am providing verbal support as needed.
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Anyone doing color commentary?
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Taking screen shots of each steps for confirmation.
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I'm in the WookieTab and went to send an email for the first time since I accidentally wiped it and had to do a "from scratch" re-install.
And I forgot to load contacts into Live Mail. 
So, Chrome has my contacts via Google Contacts, and it's got an export. I'll try that.
This preview version of Google Contacts doesn't support exporting yet.
Great. Didn't know this was a preview, I've been using it for ages.
Go to old version?
Wah? OK, what-the-elephant.
Old version opens in a new tab, exports the contacts to VCF, quick import in Live Mail and I'm sorted.
So ... Google realised it would be a problem, provided an easy way to sort it that worked with a no-longer supported Microsoft free application.
Maybe I'm easily impressed, but that's damn good - most things involve a whole load more pain and hassle - and that's trying to get two apps from the same company to work together. 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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I've had a similar experience simply moving from one phone to the other and wanting to move my contacts over. it's a thing that felt like it should've been obviously easy from the beginning but wasn't. However, you are right, Google handles it really well. Backup to vcf then restore from vcf and you're done.
Great stuff.
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"To the Bat Cave, Robin!"
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Just finished binge watching 3rd season of The Leftovers,
upto last episode feared it was yet another show that needed another Season to complete but would probably be cut / not renewed. (i.e. like Marco Polo, Sense8... grrrr)
but no, end of the last episodethe story really does finish, the big question gets answered. (Of course still 'technical' how/why questions, but if you know the show: the biggest question really does get answered.)
Sin tack
the any key okay
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Hi, anyone know the software of design the home plan. I am not an expert in architect. I just need a simple and easy to use software just drag and drop the plan for my land and home in rural area. The subject need to drag and drop is fence, home, tree...
It is a simple and easy software that design for people with not high knowledge of architect. Thank in advance.
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Google is the place to find such an application.
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