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Mycroft Holmes wrote: may the experience be smooth and interesting.
I think smooth and interesting are mutually exclusive. At least, that's been my experience. 
Marc
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Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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raddevus wrote: How is this better than my laptop (with an i7, 8GB ram, 500GB SSD) which was $699?
It isn't.
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R. Giskard Reventlov wrote: It isn't.
I always instantly recognize extremely intelligent people.
They agree with my point! 
But seriously, I just don't get this. In this case the manufacturers have driven the choice instead of the customer.
Maybe it's always been that way. 
I like pad devices, but only for certain purposes and when they are cheaper.
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raddevus wrote: But seriously, I just don't get this. In this case the manufacturers have driven the choice instead of the customer.
In a way it has always been that way, even in the days of 8 bit home computers. Sometimes it was the price or the right advertising or simple availability that decided which product made it. The crowd was looking for something to buy and someone was able to herd them away from the competition. The rest is something like a snowball effect.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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I'm sure you are right about that. It was just an interesting cycle to go through as the market declared that PCs were over and I was sitting in front of a PC every day doing my work.  As I'm sure you were too.
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PCs are not going away. People who actually do some work with computers need them. The main reason why bosses like PCs is that they are made from cheap off the shelf components and cost a little less than notebooks or tablets.
The people who turn away from PCs never really wanted or needed one in the first place. They only want to affectionally stroke their phone all day and become a danger to themselves and others when they do that while driving or running across the street without looking up.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: affectionally stroke their phone all day and become a danger to themselves and others when they do that while driving or running across the street without looking up
That's a very apt summary of technology as it is used by many. With emphasis on "danger to themselves and OTHERS" 
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batteries cost money.
touch screen cost money.
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Factor all this, then you can compare.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Those are good points.
Mine's a laptop and has battery.
I failed to mention it does have a touchscreen because I never remember to use it.
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Maximilien wrote: Factor all this, then you can compare.
Indeed. Factor in the cost of a docking station, a nice large monitor, a keyboard and mouse, external SSD, just to get back to the usability of laptop, and it's such a great deal!
Oh wait, I've got a USB docking thing, two large monitors, separate keyboard and mouse, and external SSD drive attached to my laptop already. Hmmm, you have a point. 
Marc
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Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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Marc Clifton wrote: Oh wait, I've got a USB docking thing, two large monitors, separate keyboard and mouse, and external SSD drive attached to my laptop already
You can attach a dock to a tablet just the same. Well, the Surface at least--I don't know about any of the crappy Android tablets I've ever tried...but my first-gen Surface, attached to a dock, was my daily driver for well over a year. Quieter than any laptop, no heat generated, practically no room taken on my desk...I only replaced it with an Intel NUC because the NUC could drive 4K.
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dandy72 wrote: Quieter than any laptop, no heat generated, practically no room taken on my desk..
These are good points.
The small form factor would be nice if it really is powerful enough to run _everything_.
Visual Studio is what I'm thinking. But then, you probably have to get all apps from app store, right?
Or can you just install straight-up WinForm apps? I wonder.
The only problem is that they still seem a bit pricey.
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raddevus wrote: But then, you probably have to get all apps from app store, right?
Nope - that only applies to the new Windows 10S. The Surface Pro's are full Windows citizens.
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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Well, maybe this platform / form factor is becoming more realistic? Interesting. Now, if they'll just become far cheaper the cheapskate, who I am, will be far happier.
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Same brand - different model.
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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raddevus wrote: The small form factor would be nice if it really is powerful enough to run everything.
Visual Studio is what I'm thinking. But then, you probably have to get all apps from app store, right?
Or can you just install straight-up WinForm apps? I wonder.
The Surface tablets, except for the Surface RT, use "regular" x86 CPUs, so they'll run anything you can run on your regular laptop or desktop.
And when it's not powerful enough to "run everything"...you can still use it to remote into a machine that does. That's how I used mine--hooked up to a dock, ran 3 monitors (4 if you count the device's own display), keyboard, mouse, and I'd spend the whole day running Visual Studio running in a VM on a machine in another room.
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That sounds like a good set up too. I have something similar with my laptop and a headless Mac mini for the little bit of iOS development I do. The only problem i have is that controlling the Mac via RDP was way to slow over my cheap little wireless router. I finally wired it up via ethernet and it's workable.
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A friend has one - says he bought it in place of buying a laptop and a tablet. Said the way he uses technology he wanted both so it made sense to buy one device that fit both scenarios.
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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I guess that makes sense. It just seems expensive.
If it runs Visual Studio 2017 it would be nice. Maybe it can?
It would be convenient for coffee-shop hopping dev work.
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My friend isn't a dev. Much more of a casual user.
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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How are laptops/tablets/pads not PCs?
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A very good question.
PC stopped meaning "personal computer" and become something that was just pronounced pee-cee and meant large computing device that you don't much carry around and/or has a largish keyboard attached and a mouse to it, but no touchscreen.
Of course, you're right, your phone is a PC too. Which is actually amazing when you think about it that way. You're carrying some huge computing power around.
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