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Mike Diack wrote: lets you be most productive
That now comes only third on my list now. ##1 and 2 are now:
1) I don't want to sell my soul to some company.
2) It's unacceptable that some company tries to take over my system resources whenever they please, install spyware as 'updates', change settings if they don't like them or, most important, snoop around in my work.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: I don't want to sell my soul to some company.
Why not? You might make a couple of bucks. 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Why not? You might make a couple of bucks.
I sold my soul; no bucks, just a bill for services rendered
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You need to get your collection agent involved.
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/ravi
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Agreed.
I would also think that's partly a comfort thing; like I don't know how to do "x" in language "y" but my trusty tool kit I've been building over the course of my career, has that "x" feature ready to go.
Programming language wars are flat out stupid, it's like arguing over what is better; English or Spanish or something else. They (mostly) all have unique benefits, some are more universal but that does not invalidate others.
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Let the apologists swoop in first and sing their usual song. After that I might prefer the democratic way to solve this..
Tell them into which dark and moist place to put their junk and vote by not giving them any money for it. This will either finally make them think about what they did wrong or not, in which case the apologists get what they deserve. Democracy in action.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
modified 18-May-17 11:04am.
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I remember back in the day it was "leaked" as an "article" that IE6 (so back in the good ol' days) kept an index of the domains you had visited. As you can imagine when you start to write a domain you get a nice fast auto-complete as a response and obviously indexes are one of the best ways to do this. Needless to say the article (early instance of fake news?) was suggesting that this was so that your browsing history could be given to law-enforcement and you know what haters be doing, right? Hatin'. They simply would not budge that this was the sole resason for maintaining a history index. Of course nowadays people are more familiar with this stuff so it's less of an issue. Those guys have probably moved on to spamming the internet with accussations that MS install spyware on your system and are stealing your code.....
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I did not know Mickeysoft now was into treating brain damage. Did you just get your updates?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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I suggest that you consider your friend's opinions on Visual Studio as being a result of prejudice and casual experience.
I do think there is a psychological tendency for programmers to "fall in love" with their language/IDE/dev-tools. The "why" of that is, imho, quite complex, and cannot be expressed in simple "facts." Do the tools we use shape the way we see the world : you decide.
For any one individual, their degree and intensity of identification-with and feelings-toward their language/tools may vary. Only a few, imho, become language-fanatics.
cheers, Bill
«When I consider my brief span of life, swallowed up in an eternity before and after, the little space I fill, and even can see, engulfed in the infinite immensity of spaces of which I am ignorant, and which know me not, I am frightened, and am astonished at being here rather than there; for there is no reason why here rather than there, now rather than then.» Blaise Pascal
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Your subject line is interesting but the message body is incomprehensible.
Regardless, I'm a fan of C#/.NET because it lets me code the way I like to think about programming -- dynamic modules, reflection and metadata, imperative and functional styles, etc.
I'm a fan of Python because of the cross platform capability and large library of stuff out there there runs on both Windows an *nix, making testing really easy.
I'm not a fan of C#/.NET because it still isn't a first class citizen on *nix.
I'm not a fan of Python because it's slow and the syntax can be obtuse, and the 3rd party libraries can be poorly documented and even more obtuse, and as a language goes, it's not as expressive, and it's more limiting, than C#. So my style is cramped, as it were. 
And I have nothing in the "fan" category to say about languages like Ruby, other than that Ruby is the VB of open source developers. As well, Javascript.
Marc
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Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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Marc Clifton wrote: Your subject line is interesting but the message body is incomprehensible.
So it's not just me then.
I know that I recognized all of these words, but I don't understand what they mean when strung together in this order...
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I've managed to get frustrated in every language I've had to use. Just when I think, hmm I kind of like using this one, is when the worst thing of that language be it compiler errors, IDE shortcomings or some syntactical sigal magic gone wrong or any combination of them will rear it's ugly head to remind me to rue the day I thought programming would be cool to do for a living.
I think most coders just pick the one that cooperates the most, or fits their twisted way of thinking.
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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Very easy, I can't get no satisfaction with C# or Python.
I certainly do with C++.
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Strange ... I use C# most of the time, not because I like it better, just because it's the most productive for the sorts of stuff I typically do. Though I tend to write my code in MonoDev / SharpDev instead of VS. For other reasons than you're stating, though since Ms started to really "spy" it's become an added reason for me.
This tends to make me think it's not about the language, but rather the tools.
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This tends to make me think it's not about the language, but rather the tools.
Like 15 years ago Dreamweaver was the choice of Professional web developers and <1>Front Page marked you as a rank amateur. The truth was that using FP allowed people to do "Right Click Development" of code that they didn't know how to.
Now today I am using Visual Studio and I see all of the questions here and mostly S/O on this or that problem when using Entity Framework or LinqToSql... And the push of the Code First approach having VS create a database strongly reminds me of that scorned "Right Click Development"
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This tends to make me think it's not about the language, but rather the tools.
Like 15 years ago Dreamweaver was the choice of Professional web developers and Front Page marked you as a rank amateur. The truth was that using FP allowed people to do "Right Click Development" of code that they didn't know how to.
Now today I am using Visual Studio and I see all of the questions here and mostly S/O on this or that problem when using Entity Framework or LinqToSql... And the push of the Code First approach having VS create a database strongly reminds me of that scorned "Right Click Development"
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I become a fan when there something that lets me do common tasks _much_ more easily and not have to wade through 5 different libraries for features that should have been included in the language.
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Someone posted a link to a quite impressing demo that ran in any browser. I think it was a 3D-model of the earth and a simulation of all airborne aircraft. For sure it was a sphere and loads of tiny moving points. The question was:
Quote: can you do all this in JavaScript?? 
It may have been Pete O'Hanlon (?) who replied:
Quote: You sure can
Does someone remember that site? Thanks!
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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May have been something similar, but this seems pre-rendered, that thing we saw here was rendering on the spot, in the browser.
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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Thanks but, I am afraid not. It was a VERY cool looking animation...
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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I love FR24 but was surprised to find that the cockpit view is no longer available. Did they make it a premium feature?
/ravi
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