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CDP1802 wrote: I resent being called a hater
OK.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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The thing is you could be right in your points but you are unable to keep your emotions and hatred out of your posts so you cannot be taken serious on this topic. 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Please tell me what weed you smoke, so that I can appear just as happy, tranquilized and 'credible' as you do.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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It's the thought of the wu mao he gets for every pro-ms message he posts on CP.
On his well-deserved salary, wushi mao a week makes a big difference.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Probably right. It's at least a reason, but not a very ethical one. The terrible thing is that there are real fanbois out there that are really so fanatic.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: so that I can appear just as happy,
Now you're just proving my point. All I did was point out that you hate Microsoft and somehow you're trying to turn it into me being happy. Very telling. 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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And I don't need to prove anything. You are right. Anyone with half a brain can think for himself and will not need my advice. Nor would he want yours for the same reason.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: Nor would he want yours for the same reason.
My advice was to simply not listen to your advice. Sorry, but that is good advice.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Yes, because you say so. As I said, anyone with half a brain...
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: anyone with half a brain...
Should be able to finish their sentence.  
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I am, but anyone with half a brain would not need it.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: anyone with half a brain would not need it.
Need what? The other half of the sentence? I'm so confused. 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I think the "it" needs to be capitalised. IT. Microsoft provide IT.
Seriously though - I think some of these comments are a little off topic. You are both entitled to your opinions - which will be valued in inverse square of the number of posted messages.
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pmauriks wrote: I think some of these comments are a little off topic.
Exactly! 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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And note that not unconditionally loving absolutely everything that the US corporation in question does means that you're a "hater".
Fanboi/wumao handbook rules:
0: The only defence is an immediate offence
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I haven't used it but I imagine you'd gain exposure as some people will only buy through the store. You will pay Microsoft a percentage, I would imagine, but if it helps you gain customers than it might be worth it.
And, if it's in the store, I believe, that means it has passed at least some certification process and should be considered a safe and reliable program to run.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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The only - and very theoretical - advantage of the Windows Store is publicity...
In your current position, you have to find a way to promote your site/application, while in the Store you will be on front page for at least 0.00756 seconds for free (and after that on the back page for eternity)...
Now if you are going to visit the Store, you will find that searching for an application (by topic or directly) is a but more complicate than logging in to MSDN using Live Account...
Also, the moment you are in Windows Store, you, your application and your customers are subject a bunch of Microsoft policies... and those policies are changing like the wind...
Also, the moment you are in Windows Store, you have no tools to promote yourself, while when you are on your own, you can decide any day to put more effort in it or not...
All-in-all, I can't see no benefits (for you, as for Microsoft the benefits are clear)...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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It can be extremely useful, if you have low blood pressure and too much money.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Okay, let's turn this on the head slightly. Right now, you have a web site that you sell it through. This means that you have to pay for infrastructure costs to host the software. You also have to manage the payment handling which, if you are selling in multiple countries, can be a legal nightmare because you should be managing things such as applying the right taxes, etc. This also means that your bank account may need to be vetted by banks to ensure that you aren't inadvertently supporting AML (money laundering). That's legal and jurisdictional hassle that you currently have to deal with. Moving this to the responsibility of the app store removes this headache from you.
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You have some wrong points here:
1. Hosting - it is very cheap nowadays...
2. Payment processing - all you need is a PayPal (or similar) account, and you solved all the management/taxing problems
3. Both can be solved in one place if you are using some cloud, like Amazon E3...
And from experience - getting the money from Microsoft doesn't solve you the problem of accusation from the bank about money laundry... You still will have to present a detailed billing list to prove you innocent...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: And from experience - getting the money from Microsoft doesn't solve you the problem of accusation from the bank about money laundry...
On the contrary. That's only the last evidence they need to think you are some kind of Mafioso. 
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: 1. Hosting - it is very cheap nowadays...
Well, that really depends. Yes, you can get cheap hosting but getting hosting that supports failover, etc, is a massive headache and can rapidly escalate costs.Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: 2. Payment processing - all you need is a PayPal (or similar) account, and you solved all the management/taxing problems
I find that one a funny one. You'll be surprised how many businesses won't buy from you if your only payment option is PayPal, or perhaps you won't be surprised. Yes, if you're only dealing with B2C, you might be able to get away with this, but B2B then you are probably going to have to roll out a much more robust payment system.Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: 3. Both can be solved in one place if you are using some cloud, like Amazon E3...
I thought you were talking about cheap options. Cloud options can run up some very nasty costs, very quickly. There is no such thing as a free lunch here.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: I find that one a funny one. You'll be surprised how many businesses won't buy from you if your only payment option is PayPal, or perhaps you won't be surprised. Yes, if you're only dealing with B2C, you might be able to get away with this, but B2B then you are probably going to have to roll out a much more robust payment system.
For that there's always Western Union: thousands of thriving businesses in far away places like Ukraine, Russia and even remote countries like Nigeria with unreliable internet have had no problem taking suckers getting money that way.
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