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Eddy Vluggen wrote: The Zyklon gas chambers did exist, but were used for delousing and sanitary purposes.
That's totally true - dead bodies are present a great sanitary problems!!!
And my grandparents (Auschwitz, Dachau, Mauthausen) told, there were a large number of those...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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I've been banging on the keyboard, night and day, for the past three weeks and really need an interesting diversion. I think I've found one.
As for this particular topic, I've never paid it any real attention until I read that Amazon banned these books. So I picked one that had previously been given high ratings on Amazon and decided the only way to come to an informed opinion was to check it out for myself.
Cheers,
Ian
P.S. The first chapter addresses introduces the very points you raise. This is going to be an interesting read.
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You need to ask yourself why the Holocaust lobby exists, why it can not support literature that casts doubt on the Holocaust.
At the same time ask yourself why the wiki article on the Holocaust ignores completely the 5 million Slavs who were also killed, or the gypsies, spaniards mentally handicapped gays etc to etc.
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These are some of the points raised in the first chapter and why I believe this book will make for an interesting read. But, as I have repeatedly indicated, I will reserve judgement until I've read the entire book.
thanks for the input.
Cheers,
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Munchies_Matt wrote: why the wiki article on the Holocaust ignores completely the 5 million Slavs
Maybe you looked at the wrong wiki... Holocaust victims - Wikipedia[^]
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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You may got me wrong here... I just thought you missed it (as it is in a second level article)...
I do not state that the Holocaust is a Jewish-only problem (actually the number of Jews killed is about 10% of all the dead)...
I also do not deny the importance of those events to other people (Yad Vashem has a full section about non Jewish victims, and I used to read names on the Holocaust day several times, including theirs)...
However it is totally true that I mostly learn about and speak about the Jewish aspect, as I'm a Jew...
I of course can not explain why on the global level there are much more mentions of the Jews than the Slavs, where the number of victims are very same... Some may offer you a conspiracy, that may or may not be true, but I think it is more about the communist east that was created after the war... The regime was about the deny the past, so for instance the new Hungary has nothing to do with the one collaborated with Germany (it did not existed actually)... So any mention of the Nazi area became a taboo - either for good or bad, and all the Holocaust became a German-Jewish problem... As all the Slav areas in east Europe closed by the communist it may had the effect of silencing any true research and mention of their victims... On the other hand Israel was outside that territory so there people was able to write books and so, and the amount of publishing against the amount of silence created a twisted global picture...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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What was there to miss? Sure if you dig you find the figures, but the prima facie fact is that Slavs (and other victims) are hardly ever mentioned.
As to why, well Israel depends on the constant presence of the Holocaust in peoples minds for its continued funding and global 'turning a blind eye' to it's ethnic cleansing and theft of Arab land. At least that's the only explanation I can see for it.
I question your figure of only 10% of the victims of the Holocaust being Jewish though, its nearer 50% as far as known figures suggest.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: What was there to miss?
I saw there (in the link I added) a full paragraph about the Slav victims - that what I thought you missed...
Munchies_Matt wrote: I question your figure of only 10% of the victims of the Holocaust being Jewish though, its nearer 50% as far as known figures suggest.
I included the solders too - while this is an other kind of loss they were human too...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Like I said, if you dig you will find the data, but it IS presented as a Jewish only event.
As for including soldiers, since that isn't a racial extermination I wouldn't include them. (OK Holocaust isn't necessarily Genocide, but since it is THE Holocaust we are talking about, then race is a key factor since Nazis considered Jews, Slavs, Gypsies etc as racially sub human.)
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Holocaust denial is illogical. If it did not happen, then where did all the victims go?
Yes, Jews, Slavs and everyone else.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Relax and take a deep breath. This is my first book on the topic and no one - not even the book - denies the atrocities of the war. It is pretty clear some of you guys really don't know what you are talking about other than preconceived notions of what you think the other side is saying. I won't know until I've read the book but I will say the first chapter contains interesting information and points.
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... what's that thing Joyce said ... "pus of Flan Breton" ...
Pus of flan Breton.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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Do insane vegetables have lentil health issues?
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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Are you bean cynical?
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We need to squash issues like this.
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Only those of the legume family.
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So, in our careers, I'm sure we've all learned there are really smart people and there are those that aren't. Maybe they pretend to be smart when not, maybe they embrace being not so smart and just laugh at it. Maybe they're not book smart, but street smart. And sometimes we think someone is less intelligent, when they're in fact super smart. And vice versa. Either way, you get the drift. However, despite appearances, there are those that seem to figure things out and those that don't.
And by the nature of even suggesting you're more intelligent than another, also lends itself to arrogance. Which everyone knows arrogance and intelligence conflict and cannot be considered smart. And yet, even Einstein thought the world stupid. And of course, it doesn't mean to say that less intelligent people cannot teach more intelligent people things and vice versa.
But, what do you guys do, when faced with a situation where you feel it's impossible to grow intellectually because of the environment? In situations where you clearly know you're the smartest in the room, save a few gems you meet on occasion? And I don't mean smart as in knowing more about computers. I mean smart as in being more aware and conscious, less in your head and more observant, picking up on things quicker, remembering more, etc... cognition and perception prowess as it were. Everyone else seems dazed and confused, and you get bored.
I know for me, I've been annoyed and frustrated with this practically my whole life, to the point it can create undue stress. Which is counter intuitive and destructive actually, because increased "knowing" should make people happy. And frustration is bad juju that's contagious. And yet, I'm still undecided if this is mainly due to me looking for the worst in people and trying to feel smarter due to inherent insecurities, or in fact I just am. Or both.
Surely, someone on CP has faced this too? What do you guys do when you clearly know you see things clearer but you're alone in that regards?
Jeremy Falcon
modified 24-Mar-17 15:29pm.
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It's time for you to get a robe and become a philosopher.
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Only if I can grow a beard with it.
Jeremy Falcon
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Alea iacta est!
So be it!
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I resemble that ... beard and all!
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Jeremy Falcon
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Yeah, read some Heidegger, then you won't feel so excessively smart 
Mainstream culture is for the lowest common denominator. Most people feel like society is stupid, because that's the target demographic for most of our media and cultural programming.
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