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I'm still waiting for W3C to accept my HTML <WinForm> element proposal 
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Sander Rossel wrote: I'm still waiting for W3C to accept my HTML <WinForm> element proposal
Don't I wish!
Marc
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cytoscape.js. Simple and awesome!
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Sanjay K. Gupta wrote: cytoscape.js. Simple and awesome!
Looks impressive. But I'm not really looking for a charting package, but more something that can, for example, be used to create flowcharts. cytoscape seems overkill?
Marc
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depends what you want to accompliah
if want graphics that basic shapes could make, and marked up, and interactive the same as "normal" html markup is (like hover and click events), then SVG
check out d3.js[^] all that is SVG and document driven interaction.
If have specific graphics stuff that you need to do, and do not care so much about user interaction (unless you look at libraries and want to deal with Pixel<> object mapping relations), then Canvas your thing.
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Wholeheartedly agree.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Benjamin Disraeli
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maze3 wrote: if want graphics that basic shapes could make, and marked up, and interactive the same as "normal" html markup is (like hover and click events), then SVG
Yes, exactly, thank you.
I've just start poking around d3, will explore more.
Marc
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Kornfeld mentioned this web-app today, here, in his "smallest circle" programming challenge: Sketchometry [^]
I'm impressed by its speed of drawing and grouping complex shapes. etc.
Wonder if you might get some ideas from it.
cheers, Bill
«There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008
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Personally, I like the single level of indirection SVG would use.
Everything Renders it quite nicely, and if you DID need to do something relatively unique, you could easily find the SVG example.
Very easy to dump an SVG file and find the issue. Especially vs. Canvas Writing commands.
Also, great for importing into a graphics package as vectored and using it in literature.
Seems obvious as someone who knows NOTHING about your goals 
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Kirk 10389821 wrote: Seems obvious as someone who knows NOTHING about your goals
This but in a browser.
SVG seems to be the winner here in this informal questionnaire.
Marc
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Hah, that reminds me of a DOS program I used: EZ-Flow. It had a great feature/mode: Keyboard!
You would type a 1 letter code for each object (D for Decision), hit ENTER and then hit an arrow key, it would draw the decision box, and the arrow in that direction and then you type R (I think) for routine, gives a rectangle, completes the arrow for you.
If you kept typing, it would fill in the caption until you hit ENTER or something (this was like 1987).
The funny part was that I could CRANK OUT Flowcharts really quickly. We had to use them in our documentation, LOL. Everything aligned to grid, which was fine.
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But now you have me curious. Are you going to use SVG For the Individual objects, or for the Entire Graph? (I assume the entire graph, since it should handle the moving of attached lines perfectly well).
Good luck. Won't it be funny if it was easier to implement than everything you had to do to make the desktop app?
Kirk Out!
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Kirk 10389821 wrote: EZ-Flow.
I vaguely remember that program.
Kirk 10389821 wrote: Won't it be funny if it was easier to implement than everything you had to do to make the desktop app?
We shall see!
Marc
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I spent most of last night watching this video over and over again, and touching myself.
BLOWAAAAAH! - YouTube
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Soapbox
#SupportHeForShe
Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Nah - those you have to peddle: SoapBox Derby[^] = and I can't see JSOP peddling that beast! 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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It is you who installed it?
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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I have a friend that owns a shop, so I don't mind throwing some business his way. Besides, he lets me help.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Besides, he lets me help
That's really cool. Even most exciting than using it after that...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Yeah, same car.
Ten degrees initial, 36 total, all in by 3000 rpm.
It' idling kinda high because we haven't really done anything to the carbs as far as tuning. We just wanted it to keep running while we messed with other stuff.
I'm glad we put solid motor mounts in at the outset, you can feel the added torque from the blower when you're in the car. I bet it would lift the front end off the ground with some drag radials on it.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Thats cam angles is it? I know it by crank angle so for example a 40-80 80-40 cam has a 300 degree duration, it was very revvy, idled about 1500 though.
So would your cam be, in crank angles, 20-72? Have to say it sounds great, very quick pick up and revs smoothly.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: and touching myself
Yes, I was scratching my head, too, over how anyone with a brain and a reasonable testosterone level could mount anything made of powder-blue plastic inside that beastie.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Has it opened a Facebook account yet?
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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Has it painted it's website black and started communicating in grunts?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Well, it's already started to eat anything in sight. (List of mergers and acquisitions by Facebook - Wikipedia )
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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