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Thank god my dad pegged out ten years ago. He was an insurance man would spout that crap at the drop of a hat.
If your neighbours don't listen to The Ramones, turn it up real loud so they can.
“We didn't have a positive song until we wrote 'Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue!'” ― Dee Dee Ramone
"The Democrats want my guns and the Republicans want my porno mags and I ain't giving up either" - Joey Ramone
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Marc Clifton wrote: What amazes me is that software that runs an insurance business can have bugs. I mean, it's all pushing numbers around, some conditional logic, and some math.
I mean, I can't count how many times I missed a minus sign or a 2 in my math and physics problems...
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I feel your pain. I was on two contracts in Pennsylvania, one in Philly and the other in Allentown. Both were insurance companies. I hated every minute of it, not only because, you know, insurance, but also everything had to be written in VB6. 
Of course, this was back in the 90's.
When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others.
Same thing when you are stupid.
modified 19-Nov-21 21:01pm.
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Donathan.Hutchings wrote: but also everything had to be written in VB6.
Happily, it's C#. Other positives, the people are really really nice and as a contractor, the pay is great.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: the people are really really nice and as a contractor, the pay is great
Hold your nose, take the money and run! 
Software Zen: delete this;
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Sounds like the perfect job for buying time. Now you can learn anything you'd like in a relatively stress free environment and still pay rent!
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I've been coding for an insurance company for years. How not to get board?
I solve the problems as abstractly as I can - they work for the insurance business, but only because they're a subset of the "everything" that they're made to fit. My fun is making it as generic as possible and as robust as possible.
Now, I admit that sometimes they make me actually do the odd report - but even that's mostly taken care of with a "generic reporting" interface. The DBA can use it to create the reports that automatically go to table (with a too-Excel link, when appropriate), and generally, I palm the ugly work off onto the people who are supposed to do it.
The method to this madness is to get the work for them done very well and reliably so - but on my terms. Those that understand (fortunately, that now includes the CEO!) appreciate stuff that's built to last through business changes.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: I've been coding for an insurance company for years. How not to get board?
Insurance companies give you boards? What for?
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Board? Water you talking about?
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Yes, otherwise I'd get bored.
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Marc Clifton wrote: it's all pushing numbers around, some conditional logic, and some math.
Well, where else would you want to put the bugs if not there?
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Marc Clifton wrote: where as McCoy when he told Kirk he belongs in the Captain's chair
Why did I think of an X-Men/Star Trek crossover? 
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What's exciting is making a change that works for you but in another, completely unexpected context causes 1000's of checks to be printed the following day without payee names.  It was so tempting to take one of those 100k checks for myself...
#SupportHeForShe
Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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You should get into porn. Problem solved.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: You should get into porn.
Quite so.[^]
All that got installed at a club in Tijuana.
Marc
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Not sure if I should click that link while being at work, but the URL slug is quite fitting. 
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: but the URL slug is quite fitting.
It's quite WS.
One of the more recent posts, ironically about Agile, may raise some eyebrows though!
Marc
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I work the other side of the insurance game; I write software that helps people manage billables and file insurance claims. So frankly, I don't know how insurance software could ever have bugs, since from my experience, it's all basically this:
if (Claim.ChargeAmount > 0)
{
Claim.Status = ClaimStatus.Denied;
}
else
{
Claim.PaidAmount = 0;
}
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Oh, poop, now you've reminded me of having to write code to generate bills in EDI format...  back to therapy...
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Oh gads, EDI format... Not so bad once you get to know it, but ye-gods, what a learning curve...
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Marc Clifton wrote: and some math
So you can just forget most developers being able to do it.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Back in the very late 90's I put in a stint at an insurance company, I was astonished just how much of their business was dependent on spreadsheets. I had to quit as I refused to write any more excel macros.
Five years later the company went tits up as they had no control of their products and systems, it was a huge scandal in Oz.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I'm probably swimming against the wave here, but I don't quite get the point of this post.
ALL software has bugs. Why should insurance business be any different? In a way, everything comes down to ones and zeroes, so why bugs should exist at all, right?
If you find the job soooo boring, I think it's time for you to find another job that you deem interesting, then.
That would at least be better than publicly self-aggrandizing and condescending those who are employing you. 
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