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Mark_Wallace wrote: there's no USB support (in case you hadn't noticed).
I'm not sure if your statement is sarcasm or not, but in case YOU didn't notice I already said that. BTW, VMWare doesn't come with USB support unless you also install the VMWare tools.
Mark_Wallace wrote: works on a server
NT 3.51 was also a workstation OS. See Windows NT 4.0 - Wikipedia[^] for multi-desktop support.
Mark_Wallace wrote: Who make their drivers according to the information provided to them by ms.
Yes, and as we all know driver writers never write bugs into their software and always follow MS directives to the "T".  And yah I know it's difficult to get info out of MS. Been there done that (not with drivers tho). But as someone who often has to write software that interfaces with drivers and get information from them about the hardware they supposedly support, I know most drivers I have encountered have plenty of problems and often cause issues not only for the OS but for their own hardware.
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: I'm not sure if your statement is sarcasm or not
Jeeze, if you can't tell a custard pie when it hits you in the face, stay away from Laurel & Hardy movies.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: See Windows NT 4.0 - Wikipedia[^] for multi-desktop support.
So it didn't come with multi-desktop support unless you installed VMWare tools Windows NT 4.0 Workstation and Server Resource Kit*?
Do as you say, not as you do?
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: I know most drivers I have encountered have plenty of problems and often cause issues not only for the OS but for their own hardware
I wouldn't say most, but many, if you stay at the cheap end of the market. Expensive laser printers, for example, are another matter -- as are keyboards that suddenly stop working, because the makers were stupid enough to rely on windows drivers working from one version to the next.
Besides, I've seen less problems with the drivers themselves, and a lot more with the bloated cr@p that equipment manufacturers install alongside them as "helpers" (not quite the word I'd use for them).
* Custard-pie time again
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Jeeze
Sheesh yourself dude. Mine was just as sarcastic.
Mark_Wallace wrote: come with multi-desktop support
I said it had the capability. And no, you didn't have to install the resource kit. Just use the one exe.
Mark_Wallace wrote: bloated cr@p that equipment manufacturers install alongside
Yep. I have taken to uninstalling all of that for a better OOBE.
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You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOzyou didn't have to install the resource kit
What, are you saying that wikipedia got something wrong?
Sorry, but you're pushing the boundaries of credibility just a little too far outward, now.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: What, are you saying that wikipedia got something wrong?
No. Just that you didn't understand.
Quote frok Wikipedia: which contained a large number of tools and utilities, such as desktops.exe
Yah, you can just copy out one tool or utility not the entire kit.
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You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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No reason now, win7 is fast, stable, I know it down to the details and supports whatever I need.
When and only when Win10 will have features I will absolutely need then I will chnage - in the meantime most of the population will have exeprienced all kind of crap with Win10 so either MS will have fixed it or there will be third party tools that solve the leftover problems, widely used debugged and documented.
I change from stable to stable, a system that cannot go on for more than 2 months without non strictly-security updates is a Work In Progress, and I don't buy beta versions nor preorders. When your system works on 99% of systems and you don't have to keep updating it then I will think about switching.
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Forogar wrote: and I don't care that it starts up faster
If it does start up faster, disable Fast Start.
I am one of the many who has lost his system drive because of that poorly implemented PoC (search on "0xc000000f - The Boot Selection Failed Because A Required Device Is Inaccessible").
It's not worth the risk.
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When I was about 10, I used to go to stay with my Gran during the holidays. On Mondays she used to do the washing. This involved lighting a fire under a large copper boiler in which to boil the clothes. Once the washing cycle was complete, I used to help her remove most of the water from the clothes prior to hanging them out to dry. This involved turning the handle on a large cast-iron mangle that was taller than I was. Woe betide if you got your fingers caught in the large wooden rollers. How quickly do you think she changed when small electric washing machines with an integrated wringer came out. Exactly!!!!
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You know that that is really no comparison, don't you?
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You're right, of course.
I should have just gone down for my breakfast when She shouted me.
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Jeeze.
If I spent time chatting after having been called, my breakfast would be in the cat.
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Luckily, we don't have a cat, or a dog either. I'm just used to eating food cold, or at the best, tepid. Mind you, when she really starts to shout, I don't hang about.
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I call Windows10 the "Adware" version of Windows. I don't care for the GUI, myself and they have yet to show me a single feature worth upgrading for. Wait ... I know, the Services applet remembers it's window dimensions and position between sessions - Time to upgrade! 
I played with it on-and-off for awhile. Even upgraded my development box to it just to see if I could live with it. I found it irritating to use so I re-imaged back to 7. All the machines on my network are on 7 ... I locked 10 out. The only one that's different is a little box the wife has and it's running 8.1. I keep a VM loaded with it to tinker with from time-to-time and test software I deliver in case something breaks but that's it.
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After the Win 10 Anniversary Upgrade, there was a brief period when herself's desktop was plagued with sudden freezes. On the web we learnt that this was a common issue on machines with multiple drives installed. However, Microsoft seems to have fixed it with the next update. All Windows 10 machines in our household are now very stable, and I am very pleased with the fact that I did upgrade to 10.
I feel that 10 is now as good as 7 was, and better. I wonder what the experiences of other CPians are with Win 10?
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You see that scaffolding at the top of the building? That's like Windows. It's never quite done right, so there's always some work being done on it.
Marc
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Surely that applies to the latest version of any operating system.
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Ah, so that's where they keep the horsesh*t.
Time it was mucked out.
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All but one machine I have run Windows 10. I haven't had any real issues other than older software not updating to support Windows 10 and all of the spyware that comes with it. You have to jump through hoops and install more software to slow the bleeding of information on to the net.
When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others.
Same thing when you are stupid.
modified 19-Nov-21 21:01pm.
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It's not as good as 7 was - it still doesn't feel "together" with a massive difference between "Metro" and "Actually usable" apps. It's still ugly. It spies on you constantly, does it's damnedest to annoy you into using Bong, and it's forgotten the gentle art of "letting the user decide when to reboot or upgrade the OS".
There are hard stats on usage here: Windows 10 market share growth just barely has a pulse • The Register[^] and the graph makes interesting reading: Win10 is pretty much only used on the monitored sites at weekends. Which means that private users have installed it - because it was free, probably - and businesses have said "no way, Jose".
Interesting that MS couldn't even give it away successfully, even when they tried (and boy! Did they try!) to force it down users throats.
It's stable, yes. But ... so was Win7 on the same machine in my experience. And "Joe Average User" (rather than us technical bods) generally finds it confusing and annoying - especially the apps which come with it.
Do I like it? No. I use it, yes - but mostly so I can provide support to friends who are using it. Not because I think it's better in any realistic way than Win 7.
Sorry, MS. But it's a clunker that's far too much "Windows 8 SP2" than "Windows 7 but better".
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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At work, we use Win 7 and will be slow to move to anything past that point. When working with thousands of computers, that is a major undertaking to ensure all applications used work on a new version of an operating system for all users.
So, even though Win 10 is 'new', we aren't jumping on it... we are still using Office 2010 for the same reason.
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OriginalGriff wrote: "Metro" and "Actually usable" apps
Perfect definitions.
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I vehemently dislike it. Even though they bandaged many of the UI problems I had with 8 they are still obviously pushing for a more "cellphone-style" UI. Easier and safer for your average user yet frustrating and unwieldy for your advanced users. Then you slap on top of that the fact Microsoft is installing even more bloatware than ever even going so far as to install some that measurably impact system performance (I'm looking at you XBox Game DVR). Add to that the fact 10 has been plagued with OS-breaking bugs basically since it came out and I'm fine sticking with 7. I could rant more but that's the gist of it. I like something simple, efficient, and customizable. In that regard even 7 isn't perfect but with a little bit of command-line magic you can beat it into submission. Bye bye Security Center, see you in hell 
Of course all of this is my opinion 
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Quote: Of course all of this is my opinion
I concur with that opinion!
I so wanted it to be an "Improved Win7" rather than a "Patched Win8" but I was bitterly disappointed.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Jon McKee wrote: even more bloatware than ever even going so far as to install some that measurably impact system performance (I'm looking at you XBox Game DVR)
How does the Xbox game DVR "measurably impact system performance" if you don't even run it?
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