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This may be a little late but now that it has been out in the wild, rampaging around and causing untold damage and misery, why would anyone downgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7? (I can see why for Win8 to WinX, but not from Win7).
I am looking for good, solid reasons; not just "it's better" or "it's better on tablets" or "it's got a cooler UI" - none of which are, in my opinion, even a little bit true.
These need to be reasons that couldn't have been implemented with a quick update to Windows 7.
Anyone?
...and don't give any of that bull about it being more stable, because it clearly is actually less stable!
...and I don't care that it starts up faster. I rarely have to restart Windows 7; it runs for months on my desktops and laptops (with no hibernation/wake-up problems, ever).
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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I do not have Win 10, and do not want Win 10, but there is one and only one reason why I will (eventually) upgrade to Win 10: As a life-long gamer, the day will come when I will want DirectX 12.
edited to add: Unless Vulkan significantly increases its capabilities in the short-term.
modified 2-Dec-16 15:05pm.
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Vulkan capabilities are more or less the same as DirectX 12. Game developers decided to stick with DirectX because of historical reasons and fear.
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I was referring more to the engines out there. The ones that do have Vulkan support are generally only at DirectX 11 feature parity right now.
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It'll be supported long after Microsoft has abandoned 7.
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(seriously, that's about the only thing I can come up with right now)
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Perhaps but they could just as easily keep supporting Windows 7, probably with a lot less effort.
Obviously it is "newer" but that doesn't necessarily mean "better" - in this case it certainly doesn't!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Forogar wrote: Perhaps but they could just as easily keep supporting Windows 7, probably with a lot less effort.
Not sure how supporting two different code streams is "a lot less effort" than supporting one.
Forogar wrote: Obviously it is "newer" but that doesn't necessarily mean "better"
I wasn't trying to make that argument.
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Quote: Not sure how supporting two different code streams is "a lot less effort" than supporting one.
Simple. Don't support two. Drop WInX altogether and just fix Win7 with all the latest improvements.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Forogar wrote: Simple. Don't support two. Drop WInX altogether and just fix Win7 with all the latest improvements.
Ok, you go ahead and try to convince Microsoft it needs to do that.
Jeez, I'm honestly trying to figure things out and suggest rational solutions that can work for people and this is the sort of childish discussion I get dragged into. Are you a Slashdot reject?
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Quote: Are you a Slashdot reject?
I have never been rejected by Slashdot... whatever that is! 
This is meant to be a reasoned discussion which does not necessarily have to have any resemblance to actual reality. If you consider it a "childish discussion" and don't wish to take part then please feel free to not take any further part. I will not be offended in any way if you do not respond to my, or anyone else's, posts. 
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Yes, I do think that suggesting that Microsoft kill Windows 10 and go back to 7 can only be construed as childish.
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For me W10 has nothing to offer, but a lot that I'm not the least bit interested in. I really have enough of Mickeysoft and my next OS will probably some Linux distribution.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Because if you don't embrace change you'll end up like the COBOL programmers of today. I used to work with a COBOL programmer who couldn't get a job at times, so he delivered pizza. All because he failed to embrace change. You wanna be like the guys still stuck on XP? Sure, don't always change just because... I get that. But don't be so afraid of it you never do.
And I say this as a person who can't stand the way Win 10 handles updates, seems every new thing MS implements it does so poorly until a few versions go by. So I'm not biased for Win 10, but living on Win 7 for the rest of your life isn't a solution either.
Jeremy Falcon
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The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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A perfectly valid view but not a reason to make life harder for myself with no actual reward for the effort by switching to Windows 10.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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I get what you're saying, life is a balance. I'd wager though that life doesn't always become easier by refusing to change. I think lack of change puts you behind the times and means you live in a world that no longer exists. That's not making life easier IMO.
I get it though, C is still my favorite programming language. I was and still am slow to say .NET is better than sliced bread. And yet, I'm about to make a ASP.NET Core website for work.
Jeremy Falcon
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...and what's wrong with COBOL? There's still a heck of a lot of it around - and that's because it still works and is still doing it's job in all those millions of lines of production code that are still in production for a good reason - no need to change something for the sake of change especially when the existing code still works fine.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
modified 2-Dec-16 16:03pm.
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He didn't say there was anything wrong with COBOL. He said there is something wrong with programmers that refuse to learn anything newer than COBOL.
If all of that COBOL code is good to go and works just fine, then there is no reason for any COBOL-only developers to exist anymore.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Jeremy Falcon
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Real as always, Jeremy  .
Software Zen: delete this;
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Knowing COBOL vs C++ has no comparison with using windows 7 or 10. Its a tool, nothing more, and is little different to windows 7, which itself is little different to XP.
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Simple. It works the same as Win7 (for me at least), will be around longer than Win7, and was free. Why not Windows10?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Quote: It works the same as Win7
Are you sure you aren't running a version of Windows 7 that a "friend" has fixed to say it is "Windows 10"?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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There's always Linux... come on, you know you wanna.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: There's always Linux.
I tried that path. Huge mistake. It's still a lousy OS when it comes to user friendliness. Much worse than Windows.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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