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Debbie Does Texas
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I'm an optoholic - my glass is always half full of vodka.
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Whitney, the story of an OD.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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"But what if Javascript is turned off in user's browser"..
What the heck?!
Yes this conversation happens, when I say a code block could be moved from server scripts to browser, the developer says - "But what if JS is turned off in the browser, the whole thing would go mute".
I feel like replying,
"That's fine, You may first remove that viking helmet and put on 21st century developer hat"
The funny part is, he's damn young gen-Z coder. Not like most of you or me who fiddled with "Turn on/off Active-X & JS" in the 1990's Internet explorer.
I'm not even sure if we have an option to turn off JS in today's browsers like Chrome?
(Damn what an irony!, Mr Bob removed previews & or JS is really turned off in my browser?!, I couldn't see the msg preview. or even the button)
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Vunic wrote: I'm not even sure if we have an option to turn off JS in today's browsers like Chrome?
Oh yes. Oh yes, we do!
disable JS in Chrome - Google Search[^]
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I think instead of "Advanced Settings", We could better call it "Vestigial settings". 
Seriously, Have you ever really tried this option to turn off JS?
I think it's equivalent to clicking on the "X" button at top-right of your browser. Considering the extent of JS' usage in today's web apps.
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1. Most of the sites you see outthere are not! applications, so no need for JavaScript...
2. Try and turn of while browsing CP...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Actually I have my Chrome set with javascript disabled, and I then enable it on a per-site basis if needed. I'm just so sick of the excessive js for adverts etc these days and I'm also conscious that these ad networks often allow malicious agents to advertise so I've been taken to scam "Upgrade Flash" sites and "YOU'VE BEEN REPORTED TO THE FBI EMAIL this-is-the-fbi@gmail.com FOR FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS" sites too many times. The way the web is evolving has forced me into this.
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The extinction of Flash & the invention of ad-blockers has contained cheap visuals greatly.
Many such things like "Reports to FBI" loud warnings are usually done with GIFs.
And the evolution of CSS[^] might soon be a new problem to handle? I saw the designers writing extensive scripts in CSS.
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Quote:
Settings->Show advanced settings->Privacy->Content settings->Javascript->Do not allow any site to run JavaScript(recommended)"
And you may be surprised but there are a lot of places, where JavaScript is off, because of security reasons...And that's the real challenge
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Yeah this could be true for super important requirements. But for simple routines, which could easily be done in JS , why should we let the server do? Turning off JS would mean turning off JQuery, Angular & a zillion other JS frameworks. I guess most of the new age web apps does use JS frameworks extensively. And I believe , nobody cares to turn off JS these days? I could be wrong, but in recent days I haven't heard someone saying "Oh sorry I had turned off JS in browser settings".
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While the internet is better with JavaScript, I think that all websites need to be able to function with scripts disabled, at least some minimal functionality. I know that there are things that will not work without it but I still disable JavaScript on all websites by default. Even more so now that Forbes pushed malware to users using ad blockers. I will visit the website first with a locked down FireFox. Once I see the site is legit, I usually open it with Chrome or white-list it. I don't trust the internet enough to wander around without protection.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); }
Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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Its a popular Tor setting to increase security.
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The worst is... when someone says like... "I want to access the client's printer using JavaScript"
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Or even "I want to access the client's printer using Visual Basic" which I've seen a couple of times. 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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 that's event worst!
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Vincent Maverick Durano wrote: that's event worst!
Well, VB is event-driven.
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You're lucky they were so specific, I've had, "I want to access the local network from a script."
Sin tack ear lol
Pressing the "Any" key may be continuate
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Always makes me laugh when they use a MessageBox and wonder why the user can't read it. "It worked fine on my machine" ... 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I'm with you on this one.. if your customer(s) wants the latest and greatest visual features, they're really going to need JS switched on.
Otherwise they're back in the world of server generated pages with postbacks, or even static pages - but there are still cases when either of these solutions are the most suitable, but I'd say they're in the minority these days.
I've never, ever switched javascript off in any browser except to test customer's sites with javascript switched off (because it's been in the requirements).
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Every site I visit I have Javascript disabled by default. If I decide I trust the site, then I click on "NoScript" and allow Javascript to run.
Honestly I thought that was typical of most internet users.
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There's a couple of points here - for web APPLICATIONS (think LOB), then I think it's legitimate to request JS being switched on. HOWEVER, I also tend to subscribe to the "make it work then add the jazz with JS" school of thought. i.e. don't use JS for core functionality, always provide a fallback.
For public web SITES however, I really do think JS should be kept to a minimum. I have it switched off for most of my browsers, and have no intention of switching it back on any time soon. For those sites that don't function correctly / at all without JS, I have the opinion that there are plenty of other places to look for the info I need ....
Blame the ad industry / malware / bad JS coding.
C# has already designed away most of the tedium of C++.
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Vunic wrote: I'm not even sure if we have an option to turn off JS in today's browsers like Chrome?
What they should have is a "Turned off by javascript?" checkbox.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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There's also the issue of clients (business users) running their browser with script debugging enabled...then calling and asking the stupid question 'What should I do?' when prompted whether or not they want to debug the webpage. I have (on more than one occasion) sarcastically replied that they should click 'Yes' to debug the webpage.  Of course, the goal being to avoid such calls to begin with, I now make sure that such messages never appear in my web apps. 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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