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Frozen v The Terminator
Every day, thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians.
Help end the violence EAT BACON
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Peter Pan
Mongo: Mongo only pawn... in game of life.
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LSU's tiger mascot dies after cancer treatment[^]
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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One could only hope, given said mascot's long service, that they would release at least one football team member back into the wild in his honor.
«There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008
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Ok, so I finally bit the bullet and bought the disc, hoping that it would... I dunno, just would.
It didn't. Fanbois pap after fanbois pap, and continually overvalued CGG -- an ounce of story is worth a couple of tons of CGG, these days.
That's the last time I'll encourage them to make more by giving them money for it.
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I thought it was a good story and well executed. And I'm not a DITWTBSTFB. But, what do I know? I'll agree, though, it's not as good as some of the earlier stuff... And some of the CGI was subpar...
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOza good story and well executed
Well, yeah, if you're happy with the idea that the baddies somehow knew that the widget they wanted was on the Enterprise because they knew that the mini-monkeys would refuse it, and they also knew that the Enterprise would fly into the "nebula" (I love the way hollywood thinks of nebulae), still carrying the widget that the mini-monkeys had refused, then "well-executed" fits.
And that's only the first ten minutes. It was downhill from there, with story element after story element that only existed to make life easier for the horde of writers.
The original series was great because it was simple and clean (and was made in an era when there was nothing else like it).
TNG was great because it had such solid characterisations and (mostly) believable characters (and the Borg!)
This reboot seems to be just frameworks populated with set scenes and tableaux, the audio-visual equivalent of sound bites, designed to titillate fanbois, but with precious little structure to hold it all together.
That kinda kills all the fun in watching it.
Signed
A fanboi who would be happy with little, but not with null
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Your first paragraph was all explained by the fact that the "baddie" in question had tapped into Federation communications and was spying the whole time. That's how he knew all those things.
I agree with your comments on TOS & TNG
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You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Nah. The "we have been monitoring your TV transmissions" argument doesn't wash.
That only worked in the incredibly good Galaxy Quest[^], which was a spoof of bad sci-fi storytelling.
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OK, but it's in there and makes sense. But, whatever.
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You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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"Oh, those poor people..."
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How dare you sir! I haven't even seen it but I know it will be utterly brilliant!!!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Fanbois pap after fanbois pap
That's an insult to fanbois everywhere.
Lets get one thing clear: The long-time, die-hard Star Trek fans do NOT like the reboots. At all.
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dandy72 wrote: Lets get one thing clear: The long-time, die-hard Star Trek fans do NOT like the reboots. At all.
Untrue: I have been a fanbois since long before the stupid word existed and I like the new franchise. It is meant to be fun; unclear as to why everyone gets so worked up about fiction. If you want it real, watch a documentary.
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we must not be hardcore enough. 
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Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Me and my GF love Star Wars, Star Trek and Doctor Who - we are not hardcore enough for anyone of them it seems. Except for the guys at Forbidden Planet, they kind of like us and I still don't know why  
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I'm hardcore enough to own every season box set of TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT, and every movie. Paramount stopped getting my money starting with the reboots however.
The Kelvin timeline movies (aka "JJ-Trek" aka "Nu-Trek") are just mindless action movies like Transformers that end up in the bargain bin 3 months after release. If that.
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It's true they are mostly action movies. But I recall plenty of action in the original timeline.
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Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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I wasn't saying you can't have action in a Star Trek movie. But you can't make something purely action and call it Star Trek either.
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You can, you will just get hardasses like you that say it isn't when it is. It's just a movie, a fantasy, entertainment, not some freaking religion.
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Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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It's not a religion, but Star Trek still had a message. These movies, in comparison, are just entertainment, as you put it. You can't recognize this is something that's been lost?
If JJ-Trek had been made in 1966, we wouldn't still be talking about it 50 years later.
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Watch the interview with Nichelle Nichols where she discusses her meeting with Martin Luther King, when he told her what she was doing was too important for her to quit her role. Watch the interview with Jimmy Doohan where he mentions talking to a suicidal kid who later became an engineer because of him. Watch any of the rest of the cast who have been told by actual NASA scientists, engineers and astronauts they took these jobs because of what they saw on Star Trek.
Then tell me again you're okay with Star Trek being watered down mindless entertainment nowadays.
modified 12-Oct-16 14:47pm.
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Yes ST had a message. People being influenced to make something of themselves and become scientists, engineers, etc is not unique to Star Trek. Many scifi shows and movies (and yes even Star Wars) have had that effect. Many shows and movies of other genres have also had similar effects, albeit not necessarily of becoming scientists, but something else grand.
Am I ok with "watering down" ST (as you put it)? Sure, why not? It doesn't belong to me. It's someone else's "art". I can like it for what it is and think that other takes on Star Trek were and are better. And some not even as good. Just like a lot of the individual episodes in TOS, TNG, DS9, STE, STV were more or less "better". Some where awesome episodes, some stank to low hell. Same goes with the ST movies. Some were awesome, some were so-so, some stank to low hell. And of course, to each his/her own opinion.
Someone once said "one man's trash is another man's treasure". Same goes for movies and serials.
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Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Star Trek had more than its fair share of bad/terrible episodes and movies and I'll be the first to admit it wouldn't be hard to argue there's more bad than good.
All I'm saying is that I see no redeemable value in any of the JJ-Trek movies, and the producers themselves are on the record for saying claiming there's no market anymore for the "traditional" Trek stories. I disagree strongly with that, and if that's where the franchise is headed, I want nothing to do with it. This is why I'm voting with my wallet.
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