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Remember that Apple started making OS updates free way before Windows did.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Didnt know that, but it doesnt answer the question. Does MSFT see the Windows OS PC as a dead end, a dinosaur?
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I think they see it as a means to an end. And the end is Azure.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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When I posted my negative feelings for Win10[^], there were hose who seemed hell-bent on defending it.
I suppose whatever you read never happened, lest their narrative lose it's veracity.
One is left wondering what fraction of users need to be upgraded without their permission; what percentage of users need to have their O/S elephanted by this Edsel[^]-software before they note that there's a problem and it's a big one?
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I'm still using it, but I'm pretty sure Win7 was better from a user POV.
And I'm doing extra image backups in case the damn thing bricks the PC upgrading to AE... 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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W∴ Balboos wrote: there were hose who seemed hell-bent on defending it.
Don't exaggerate. There are many, many of us who have had 0 problems with win10 on many different devices. That's all I saw people say.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: There are many, many of us
talk about exaggeration!
But seriously, if it were 'only' a few percent of the people who's system's are trashed by this it really really bad. Just imagine if your PC's CPU was 99.999% accurate. It would be all but unusable. Forcing upgrades and updates, and even with XP I've had a few cause problems, isn't right. At least, given the choice, one could refuse a particular "upgrade".
Consider the number of actual regulars in the lounge and how many have had their system unpleasantly modified or even trashed by Win10: it's starting to be a Leslie in its own right.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Forcing upgrades and updates, ... isn't right.
Why?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Because it's my computer. I bought it. It's mine to do with as I wish. If Microslut (or anyone else) wishes to make use of it then they can pay for the privilege.
For those who like that model, they've products like Office365 - where you use whatever they have to offer on the web and they can change it at will - and for those who don't - they buy the software outright.
They do make you buy Win10, don't they? [TOS doesn't cut it]. Leading back to my statement in a different thread: My upgrade from Win7 will be Linux.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Because it's my computer. I bought it. It's mine to do with as I wish.
And you chose to install a Microsoft operating system and chose to agree to their terms. It is your computer, so if you don't like it then install something else. That is your right. It is also their right to update their software whenever they want to. In fact, they have to or else they face serious legal consequences for not keeping a product secure.
W∴ Balboos wrote: My upgrade from Win7 will be Linux.
Ya, I tried that. Good luck. Linux sucks. Hopefully it works for you.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Go collect your wu mao.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Nelek wrote: I found it not so different to what you describe about microsoft
... Except that you can switch it off and only get notifications about updates*, which you can then choose to install or not.
* Open the Google Play app, go to Account > Settings, and it's the first setting in the list.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: * Open the Google Play app, go to Account > Settings, and it's the first setting in the list.
I thought all settings could be managed locally on the phone. I have no Android so no google account experience.
Thank you for the hint
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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The Google Play app is on the phone. You can also go to Phone Settings > Apps, and select individual apps that you want to allow to update automatically -- I've only done that for antivirus signatures, but some people allow a few more.
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When you buy an android or apple mobile device, you have no choice in what OS you use. On your PC/laptop, you do. Even Apple desktops/laptops can have Windows or Linux installed as opposed to the native Apple OS.
I've never had anything but an android phone (current phones is a Samsung Galaxy 5s), and none of the ones I've owned have ever once auto-updated anything. Ever.
My problem with Win10 is that it carries the "app store" paradigm over to the PC, and forces updates on you. I don't want that. If I did, I'd have an Apple where it's pretty much always been that way.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Try to avoid responding to troll tactics.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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W∴ Balboos wrote: For those who like that model, they've products like Office365
I am glad I do not use this as when Windows is updating it takes all my very limited band width. Hey, 0.7 M download is smokin fast where I am. 
Mongo: Mongo only pawn... in game of life.
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Sounds like a Which hunt.
New version: WinHeist Version 2.2.2 Beta I told my psychiatrist that I was hearing voices in my head. He said you don't have a psychiatrist!
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Only the crowd isn't shouting the word "duck".
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I like which hunts. Maybe we'll see some wherewolves involved as well?
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I'll bet Whoville started it.
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Quote: "The Windows 10 upgrade is a choice designed to help people take advantage of the most secure and most productive Windows," said a spokesman.
So, let me get this right... the Windows 10 upgrade allows people to use Windows 7 ("most productive Windows")?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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